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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    It's not how I think though, it's just a fact. You can choose to accept it or not. DPS is the ONLY role with the jobs therein are further broken down. Pull up your character screen and it's right in your face. If you're implying that DPS gear is actually more job restrictive because of this categorization of the jobs, then I get it. But all of them except NIN share gear with a least one other job. To a certain extent, DRG as well, but a lot of their gear can also be used/glamoured by tanks.
    Im not quite following what you're saying btw.

    There's gear thats tanks and DRGs
    There's gear thats healer and casters.

    So I can only assume u mean gear within a group, such as within tanks? but then id say there's gear thats DRK only, WAR only, and PLD only.
    The rings in Brayflox are examples of this as well. (excluding AFs, and the most obvious, weapons)

    Unrelated.
    I should also mention all Dated gear from 1.0, wasnt class/job locked then, and after the update remained unlocked, and could be glamoured by anyone who still owns the gear. I have chainmail that can be glamoured to any class, and leather armor.
    (Sadly didnt get enough gil to buy the platemail in time, before the update, was 500k short)
    Wish I could make/buy that stuff again, just for glamour as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    Im not quite following what you're saying btw.

    There's gear thats tanks and DRGs
    There's gear thats healer and casters.

    So I can only assume u mean gear within a group, such as within tanks?
    It started about a page back where a poster attempted to correct the OP by saying they meant "role" based gear in reference to the header. Most people are in agreement that Job based gear should not be shared such as our AF. It was then commented that they are not role based as melee DPS have three different sets. All I said, was they all still fall under the DPS 'role'. They most certainly don't belong to tank or healer, which are the other two of three roles. So whether process of elimination or deductive reasoning, the logic can't be disputed, but it was anyway.

    I posted a more complex breakdown of the DPS role when it was further disputed that gear isn't role based, when nearly all of it is. Tanks have their own gear. Healers have their own gear, and DPS have their own gear. I am sorry if there is any confusion, but I am not sure why there is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I am sorry if there is any confusion, but I am not sure why there is?
    There's no confusion. You're just wrong and haven't figured it out yet. Role locked gear would be shared within a role, but monks can't share with bards can't share with black mages. That's because the gear isn't locked based on role, rather on primary stat and some vague notion of armor class. The groupings that are common in endgame gear aren't the only ones either, and presumably not the only ones the OP wants removed. There are also Disciple of War/Magic restrictions, as well as shared DRG/tank armor. Again, this is because the armor in this game isn't role locked.

    Also, even if you had used deductive reasoning (you used inductive), deductive reasoning absolutely can be disputed as either invalid or unsound. I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise if you had any idea what it actually means and weren't just invoking it to try to give your argument an air of authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    There's no confusion. You're just wrong and haven't figured it out yet.
    Incorrect. I can't be at fault if your bigotry clouds your comprehension.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    Role locked gear would be shared within a role, but monks can't share with bards can't share with black mages. That's because the gear isn't locked based on role, rather on primary stat and some vague notion of armor class.
    Though I doubt anything else I say will allow you to see the picture since you just seem to like to argue, I will still try to spell it out...

    Gear restricted by role DOES exist. Fact. Don't believe me, grab your tank or DPS job of choice, and glam a healing set to it. The DPS role however is different. This is because within the DPS role, they are further segregated based on how the job operates (caster, melee, ranged). This is not the case for the other two roles in the game (healer and tank). Within those two particular roles, all the gear is shared.

    You're trying to beat into my head what I am already well aware of. All I am saying is despite the fact that further restrictions are placed on jobs belonging to the DPS role, they all still fall under the DPS category. Furthermore, main stat alone doesn't separate the jobs. Have you noticed that NINs, MCHs, and BRDs share accessories despite one being melee and the others ranged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    The groupings that are common in endgame gear aren't the only ones either, and presumably not the only ones the OP wants removed. There are also Disciple of War/Magic restrictions, as well as shared DRG/tank armor. Again, this is because the armor in this game isn't role locked.
    Pretty sure OP wants all restrictions removed. It is typical from a player who uses bikini tanks and chocobo suit glams as the base of their arguments. Again though, gear in this game IS ROLE LOCKED. If it wasn't, I would be able to put that lovely Arachne Short of Scouting on one or all of my healers. But I can't. Because it's ROLE LOCKED.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    Also, even if you had used deductive reasoning (you used inductive), deductive reasoning absolutely can be disputed as either invalid or unsound. I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise if you had any idea what it actually means and weren't just invoking it to try to give your argument an air of authority.
    I am aware of how the two forms of logic work. Just because you attempt to dispute my statements doesn't make them disputable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I am aware of how the two forms of logic work. Just because you attempt to dispute my statements doesn't make them disputable.
    This was an excellent finale to a thoroughly ridiculous post. Enjoy your idiosyncratic idea of role locking, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    This was an excellent finale to a thoroughly ridiculous post.
    Finale? I'm just getting warmed up. If you want to continue, by all means show something different other than intellectual bankruptcy for me to shred. Have you noticed that you're the only one being offensive, especially after you cannot back up your claims? I'm actually on the fence on whether you're a troll or not just trying to get a rise out of me. You're on a legacy server, but with less than half of my total posts. Deductive logic tells me that you contribute less to these forums than I do, despite having more time and experience with the game. So, Ms. Nixxe. Enlighten me to what I am so naïve to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Finale? I'm just getting warmed up. If you want to continue, by all means show something different other than intellectual bankruptcy for me to shred. Have you noticed that you're the only one being offensive, especially after you cannot back up your claims? I'm actually on the fence on whether you're a troll or not just trying to get a rise out of me. You're on a legacy server, but with less than half of my total posts. Deductive logic tells me that you contribute less to these forums than I do, despite having more time and experience with the game. So, Ms. Nixxe. Enlighten me to what I am so naïve to see.
    Your "deductive" argument is probabilistic and thus obviously not deductive at all, which is something anyone who actually understands the difference between deductive and inductive reasoning would immediately recognize.

    You can interpret my refusal to make a serious response as an inability to do so if you wish. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
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    At the very least I want crafter and gatherer gear unlocked.
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