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  1. #11
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    It's becoming quite clear that my hope you had returned with a more sensible outlook was misplaced.

    I stand by my statement that these proposed changes and indeed most changes proposed under a mindset such as yours are useless at best and detrimental at worst. The game should be balanced around how it actually plays, not how some random group of people like to try to fit a square peg into a round hole.

    Best of luck o/
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    Lubu Mykono
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    I enjoyed reading your thread as it's nice to see the thoughts people put into the game. However, alliance wide heals and DPS buffs to healer to help "struggling" players ultimately defy the point of an MMO. To work together in a specific role to complete a task or an instance. The jobs in this game are "relatively" balanced for MOST content. Not talking about small pockets like end-game raiding etc.
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki View Post
    I'm not 100% clear on why the fairy targets who she does at any given time. However, I do know that if there are a large number of low HP targets, she will effectively start healing random players.
    You are semi correct, in that the healing can feel lopsided/disjointed, but her targets aren't random. If everyone, including her is at lets say 50%, you, are her primary target for heals, then herself, then the closest party member with HP below the threshold, which I think is 80%. That's why you have those instances where she'll heal a DPS at 75% over a Tank at 20%, they are just a smidgen closer. I think that in an update she was given a new threshold limit to counter this, but it still has its issues; like if the new threshold is 50% but the Tank is at 51% she'll still target the DPS at 75% if they are closer.

    The system isn't perfect. I wont say that it is, but what you are asking for already exists, it just needs fine tuning.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

  4. #14
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    NocturniaUzuki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    You are semi correct, in that the healing can feel lopsided/disjointed, but her targets aren't random. If everyone, including her is at lets say 50%, you, are her primary target for heals, then herself, then the closest party member with HP below the threshold, which I think is 80%. That's why you have those instances where she'll heal a DPS at 75% over a Tank at 20%, they are just a smidgen closer. I think that in an update she was given a new threshold limit to counter this, but it still has its issues; like if the new threshold is 50% but the Tank is at 51% she'll still target the DPS at 75% if they are closer.

    The system isn't perfect. I wont say that it is, but what you are asking for already exists, it just needs fine tuning.
    So she will heal whoever is closest to her that is under 80% HP, or focus the tank if the tank's HP is less than 50%? If that is the case, I could then work around it by either:

    a) Manually placing Eos closer to the tank during the times where I need her to focus on tank heals.
    b) Maintaining the tank's health below 50% during that time.

    Is that correct?

    I'll give it a shot the next time I have a chance. It certainly is awkward to do, and simply changing Fey Union to Lv50 and adding a trait that buffs its heal potency at Lv70 would be a lot more straightforward, but if it actually works consistently, then it's still worthwhile.

    One issue seems to remain though. Wouldn't she focus on me over the tank? Just like the DPS, I'm getting healed by the regens, so I'll be sub-80% for several seconds. Even if I put her right on top of the tank, according to what you said, she would still focus on me until I'm over 80%?
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    Last edited by NocturniaUzuki; 08-15-2018 at 04:42 AM.

  5. #15
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    Eloah's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki View Post
    One issue seems to remain though. Wouldn't she focus on me over the tank? Just like the DPS, I'm getting healed by the regens, so I'll be sub-80% for several seconds. Even if I put her right on top of the tank, according to what you said, she would still focus on me until I'm over 80%?
    True, you are her primary target, but with you healing yourself, and her adding in an embrace you should be above 80% quick enough. And that's if she is following you, if you place her closer to the tank you may be out of her range. Don't quote me 100% on the values I mentioned, I just mostly wanted to let you know that her targets aren't as random as they seem. Don't forget that she is essentially a free Regen, you'll be doing most of the healing. So when you see a party member at like 50%, your heal and hers could be enough to get them above the threshold.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    True, you are her primary target, but with you healing yourself, and her adding in an embrace you should be above 80% quick enough. And that's if she is following you, if you place her closer to the tank you may be out of her range. Don't quote me 100% on the values I mentioned, I just mostly wanted to let you know that her targets aren't as random as they seem. Don't forget that she is essentially a free Regen, you'll be doing most of the healing. So when you see a party member at like 50%, your heal and hers could be enough to get them above the threshold.
    Thanks for the tip. The content I do typically does not allow much if any time for me to casually heal myself just to manipulate her AI though, I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I stand by my statement that these proposed changes and indeed most changes proposed under a mindset such as yours are useless at best and detrimental at worst.
    This seems needlessly pessimistic. They yielded quite easily to real functional objections to their suggestions and everything else they mentioned wouldn't be "useless at best." Cool down reduction on Abilities for instance is really useful and a Role Skill that let you do this for a party member on one or multiple skills would be a welcome addition to many people. We all play and think differently and alienating a minority like crafters or technical raiders doesn't help anyone. The answer is to give everyone a way to enjoy the game on their own terms like how all 3 Roles have Classes with varying degrees of difficulty and mastery. Adding new Role Skills wouldn't be detrimental anymore than Lucid Dreaming having a terrible tool tip. Advice from other players can remedy any misunderstanding on a super niche skill.
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  8. #18
    Player vVAstrAVv's Avatar
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    Thegroose Isloose
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    I mean
    If se wanted cleric stance to be good all they had to do was put the cd after you exit it not cast it and nix the damn animation
    That way if you need to pinch heal your finger panicking wouldn't trap you in cs for the next 5 seconds

    And give a visual aura so you cant forget its on or off

    But they don't want it good so its a joke waiting to be removed at this point
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  9. #19
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    A smaller amount of "1 button fix everything" would be a good start.
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    Sand Whichi
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    reducing cooldowns in this game will never work. It will either always be wayy too strong or be totally worthless. The last spear was absolute garbage. 5 % 10% off of the cooldowns is not nearly enough compared to a flat 10% increase in damage its very very hard to ever make that useful without making it blatantly overpowered.
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