I feel it's time for more housing wards again

[Reylinn]

I'm all for new wards. I suspect we'd be more likely to get Ishgard though. ALSO KITTY MY LAVENDER CHURCH IS AWESOME!

[Luna-M]

Seriously stop for a second and really think about what you are asking and suggesting. You are asking SE to retroactively FORCIBLY TAKE BACK PLOTS THAT WERE PURCHASED 100% BY THE RULES, that were in place for 3 years, and give them away to others because you think it's unfair? That is the worst idea I've ever heard. Not to mention it's hypocritical of you to suggest it.

What if SE said "dear Kurotoga Iga, we regret to inform you that some players think that it's unfair that you have a personal large, and we will be replacing it with a small, because this other FC down the street wants it and derserves it more than you. Sorry." Would you be okay with that? Same thing.

Or.... "Dear player, we understand that you have soloed palace of the dead on your Summoner, however, some other players who aren't as lucky, felt that you don't deserve your title and prize for doing that, so we are taking it back to make it more fair. Sorry."

Also, "Dear player, we understand that you craft alot and have 500m Gil, some players who refuse to craft think that the is unfair, so we are taking back 480m of your Gil to distribute it evenly to other players, because this is unfair."

I spent over a hundred hours leveling up my alts and doing MSQ, and ranking up grand company to get extra houses. You think I should give them away? LOL. You can get lost.

lmao you are so right. That suggestion is so absurd but i can see how some people in this so called community would think that makes perfect sense.

Big flaw with your comparison - you're comparing subscription prices to a ingame feature. Subscription prices being lower for grandfathered in people does not effect anyone else on Netflix. People being grandfathered in with 20 houses impacts other people who are also paying for the game. So your comparison is really flawed

I pay a lower sub in this game cause i was grandfathered (1.0 veteran) in. His example make sense.

Except the servers with actual populations like balmung and mateus are suffering horribly under the current system

It sucks, I feel for you but if housing is a dealbreaker - let's face the facts you will have to move to a mid pop server to get a house.

Tbh the grandfathering in people was a huge mistake, those people should only be allowed to keep one house of their choice and the rest go back on the market. In real life if rules and laws are changed, you still have to abide by them. there's no grandfathering in - So SE really doesn't need to be nice to the people who are technically breaking rules under the new changes.

There is no reason that people should be able to keep 20+ houses and 8+ apartments on one server. There's no reason behind owning all this besides being selfish and greedy and this can be seen by the "just move servers" logic always posted.

To fix housing these things need to be done.
1. Remove the grandfathered houses
2. Change the buying system to a lottery, so everyone puts their money down and someone is picked at random. This would remove a lot of the unfairness already in place.
3. Transfers should abide by the same rules as new buyers. Too many houses are taken by a transfer after people were sitting there 8+ hours.
4. Ban the people making fc's just to flip houses ( theres sites advertising this shit and still no one is banned for it...)

It always ironic when people like yourself bring up these insane examples, how many of multiowners sit on 20 houses? A very very few I would imagine. It really isn't that big of a problem on a wider scale. Just cause it a problem on 1 server it hardly something happened on every server.

1. Nope, why should people get retroactively punished?
2. Won't work in the west. Japan is used to this but us westerns would never go for it.
3. Timer is only there for resell purposes. Just grab whatever and relocate yourself. There is literally 100+ houses on most servers. People like yourself just complain
4. As long SE don't collect SS as proof or 3rd party sites nothing will happen. On that note, is there even a TOS paragraph that states reselling of FC is not allowed?

My answer is, charge a monthly tax for every house you have over 1. The more houses you have the more you pay. Give a 6 month notice.

Nope. That's a terrible suggestion also why? You punishing your own customers for following rules and have done nothing wrong.
Not that multiplot owners wouldn't be able to pay a "tax" but the suggestion is simply stupid.

[Lubu_Mykono]

They are not going to add more wards when there are tons available on the smaller servers. The system isn't really fair, but the way it's set up is not going to change because the long established players are the foundation that keep this game running. Those that bought and kept houses for years are the priority for the devs, as they are the ones most likely to remain.

Housing should always remain higher in demand than supply. It's acts as both a proper gil sink to prevent inflation when you include furniture and plot costs, and also as the only real way SE can make you keep paying a sub as you lose your house if you don't after x amount of time.

[Risu0042]

In real life if rules and laws are changed, you still have to abide by them.

That's not always true, IRL I own property with a river running though the middle of it. My house is built about 40 feet from the river. After my house was built the law was changed where any permanent structure has to be built 100ft away from this river that runs though my property. So now my house is no longer in compliance with that law, but I will not have to move my home 60ft away from the river because the structure was there before the law was put into affect. I am GRANDFATHERED in. Just like these home owners. SE writes the laws of this game, there law now says only 1 personal house and 1 free company house per person (or something like that), with the exception that you owned more than that before this rule went into affect. Don't let your feelings and opinions cloud the facts.

[Luna-M]

That's not always true, IRL I own property with a river running though the middle of it. My house is built about 40 feet from the river. After my house was built the law was changed where any permanent structure has to be built 100ft away from this river that runs though my property. So now my house is no longer in compliance with that law, but I will not have to move my home 60ft away from the river because the structure was there before the law was put into affect. I am GRANDFATHERED in. Just like these home owners. SE writes the laws of this game, there law now says only 1 personal house and 1 free company house per person (or something like that), with the exception that you owned more than that before this rule went into affect. Don't let your feelings and opinions cloud the facts.

It's easy to let the salt take over your feelings.

[MaybeOliverB]

On that note, is there even a TOS paragraph that states reselling of FC is not allowed?

Just gonna throw that out there. The ToS hasn't been updated since 1.0 was launched...

People like to use the part regarding Disruption to justify bringing some of us down, but if they would dare to read the whole thing, they would understand that disruption relates to another player's client/hardware or the servers. Miles away from the disruption that goes on in their head because they can't cope with the fact that someone is doing something they don't agree with.

[Raven2014]

In real life if rules and laws are changed, you still have to abide by them. there's no grandfathering in - So SE really doesn't need to be nice to the people who are technically breaking rules under the new changes.

And ... this is the problem when people just hold on to belief not due to knowledge, or fact, or educated information, or research ... but simply due to their belief in their own "logic" on how the world will run, because they think it just makes sense.
Yes, the rule change. Yes, we abide the change. But NO COUNTRY, at least one that resemblance any form of democracy, will retroactively apply punishment to previously legal instance. You're talking about constitutional level of violation in most countries in Europe (the EC's constitution has article directly prohibited this), and if any government body in the US try that crap, they'll face immediate riot.

If you live in a country that can retroactively punish for things you did that now illegal, but was legal at the time you did it, I highly recommend you to move to another country, and fast . Because I know how suck that is, I actually came from such one such country, and it wasn't a democracy. Funny enough, accusing people of broken laws that didn't exist was a goto method for corrupted government official in that country to repossess people's land and property.

[Themarvin]

Uhm if you need to expand road net or the likes government can buy your property for the right price and such irl... how else would you expand cities with a greater network of roads and better housing unless you can get away with a historic house/property that may not be used for this and that in court.

[Reylinn]

Sometimes grandfathering doesn't work. This time it's fine and not doing it wouldn't solve anything.

[Lubu_Mykono]

Law changes don't make any impact in this argument. Those that considered "grand-fathering" are predominantly long term players that have invested a lot of time and money into the game, and most likely to continue to do so. If you neglect or piss off that portion of your player-base in a game with this kind of business model, you are going to see a lot of people leave.

I don't like the way housing is done, but first come first served was the policy in place at the time, and people just have to be pro-active looking for a nice plot daily, asking around, or getting a good deal than sitting on a board complaining about it.