So, how is Pagos?

[Cylla]

To be honest i find the new Eureka Zone super annoying. I dont mind the grind and its not that i dont know what to do and so on. Its just it feels that everything takes so long, even with the right element allready the first enemys in front of door take forever to kill solo and they hit like a truck. Than like allready mention the first fate give literally 0XP, no one does it and there is no point in wasting time for it. I joined 3 or 4 instances so far each time for around 2 hours there whas just 1 spawn in total. The people i saw just go there to complete the challenges for xp and leave. This zone makes no fun right now and i can understand everyone who joins the old eureka after finishing the challenges, the xp gain maybe slower but its way more fun than the new zone.

I finished my challenges in the old eureka. I'm super annoyed with pagos right now. FC mate asked if I wanted to do it today. I told him flat out, "I'm not going back in there. I hate it." We went and duo mobs in the old zone to finish our challenge log. He got level 21 and I got up to 22 (was already 21 and half way through level from yesterday).

[K1tt]

So had a run at pagos finally. Had a really horrible time. Managed to slowly hit 21, got killed at the 21 quest spot and nobody rezzed me despite shouts and 2 whm walking past me. The timer ran out and I lost half a bar of exp.
The penalty is far too harsh (150k), its really off putting that a few hours effort in eureka can just be taken away so easily. The quest spots need to be more accessible. Definitely left a bitter taste in my mouth. Honestly dont think the effort is worth the reward as it is right now.

[Missbone]

I finished my challenges in the old eureka. I'm super annoyed with pagos right now. FC mate asked if I wanted to do it today. I told him flat out, "I'm not going back in there. I hate it." We went and duo mobs in the old zone to finish our challenge log. He got level 21 and I got up to 22 (was already 21 and half way through level from yesterday).

Yea thats the same i feel i only whas in pagos so long because it whas easier for me to find a group there for the challenges than in Anemos and helped a friend. But now after i figured out how stuff works i will stick with Anemos. I whas realy looking forward to the new zone but this is just crap.

[Cirivia]

Dont tell People that you have to Farm Light (Aether)by killing Mobs and doing Fates to upgrade your weapon.
Eureka + Light Farming = fun. Or not.

[Starflake]

On patch day I didn't even log in because I knew it was just be the same, mindless, dumb content. Only log on for ultimate raid atm. SE sure knows how to deliver fresh, innovative content and spread with months apart just so you can enjoy the first mindless grind before the next mindless grind. Who makes these decisions?

[Usho]

spent 2 hours get to lvl 21 yesterday morning. Logged off the game, haven't logged back in.

When 'new' contents does this to you, it can't be a good.

Yoshi-Pees and XIV dev team aim to bring you rehashed old content with a smile, painted over to look new but it's still old...but they want you think it's new cause they think you're dumb enough to do it and they can get away with it each time without facing backlash from the players. Watch. When 5.0 rolls around, we are gonna get the same old crap (*cough diadem 4.0 cough) but it will again be painted over to look new and exciting.



We will get another version of Diadem, another POTD, etc and Yoshi-Pee's will say it's "New and NEVER done before in ANY mmo". Yeah, right...okay. The same lie doesn't always work twice.

The content quality went down after HW with SB. They need to stop rehashing old crap, and make some new unique content with some damn feeling. If FFXI, a 16 or so year old MMO could do that, why can't a modern game like this? There's no excuse for this. There's no excuse for consistently reusing old content and making us think it's new but it really isn't.

Instead of reusing old crap, make the time to make some new content...this "New and Never done in ANY mmo" content that Yoshi-Pees kept saying. Was it all a lie? Were almost 4 major patches into 4.0, and I've yet to see this new and never done before in any mmo content. 4.0-4.3 brought nothing but rehashed content (diaeureka anyone?).


To Yoshi-Pees and team, not all of us players like your safe approach to gaming content, nor the "status quo". Eventually, others will start getting sick and tired of the repetitve and predictable formula you've cursed this game with. Take the training wheels off. Relaunch was 5 years ago. It's time to break the cycle and git gud. We are paying you monthly subscriptions for rehash content. Some of your supporters might like it, but a lot of us don't. I'm not paying for repackaged old content, I'm paying for great quality gaming with addictive, exciting content. Not soul draining grinding for crap that gets quickly outdated.



We, the players, deserve better.







/2 cents

[Rufalus]

Yes the terrain at low level is not interesting and we are stuck there for days because slow exp. It's pretty much just a flat snow field and 3 NMs for the first 40 hours or however long it will take to climb higher. Anemos has a nicer start with squib sands beach and two other paths out from the starting sanctuary with more varied terrain and aesthetics.

The magia board and elements still does not feel like a successful gameplay system. As somebody mentioned there are enemies with many different elements packed into a small space and you'll be doing very low dps unless you rotate to the correct ones, but then your switching is on cooldown. It seems like it would be less annoying if it just automatically rotated to the optimal element, which removes the need for a magia board altogether. The only real decision comes if you are tanking, then you may switch from offensive element into defensive. I don't know of anyone who is spreading their magicite to many elements instead of stacking all into a single element, since this will make you much less effective than maxing a single element and just rotating every time you switch to fighting a different enemy species.

[Nihility]

It's so much slower and more grindy than anemos that I personally kind of hate it.
Anemos was a slog but at least felt like a worthwhile effort

Quickly came to the feeling that challenge log done = no more for the week

[LeoLupinos]

Mostly of the whine are from players that used to be afk into the Anemos boring train.

The fun of Pagos is to try new things, and figure out what is the best way to gain XP.

I'm Loving the content. It's optional. It's better than the other 2 relics.

Players speak of this content as it would take years to reach level cap. For the love sake, Last anemos I got do lvl 20 in the same week, with lots of fun discovering things, give me a break of this exaggeration.

It's slow at the start, and getting better as you discover it's depth.

[HyoMinPark]

Mostly of the whine are from players that used to be afk into the Anemos boring train.

The fun of Pagos is to try new things, and figure out what is the best way to gain XP.

The best way to get EXP in Pagos is just like Anemos—Challenge Log + NM Train. NM Train EXP is far more worth it per hour spent than chaining mobs. I spent 3 hours chaining 3 hours chaining mobs 7~8 levels higher than me with a group yesterday, and got maybe half a level from it. 2~3k per mob, with a small jump for x10, x20, and x30 is just not worth it. And you better hope others not in your party don’t tag the mob; otherwise, you get even less.

At levels 30+, it’s already appearing like you need upwards of 3 million EXP to get to the next level; they’re predicting 4 million EXP to level 35. If you want to spent that time pulling mobs, by all means. But it is the inferior option, and I think, quantifiably, that has been proven in both Anemos and Pagos.

I'm Loving the content. It's optional. It's better than the other 2 relics.

This is subjective and varies between individuals. I’d rather have Anima steps back—I’d rather have unnerfed Unidentifiable step back, and I did two full Animas before any of the steps were nerfed.

I’ll say to you what I said to your reply in the other thread: there is a difference between a grind where you feel like you’re making progress—where you feel like the grind is relatively worthwhile—and a grind where the only thing progressing is your carpal tunnel. Pagos and chain-pulling most definitely is what I would consider a carpal tunnel-grind.