Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Remedi]

The explanation I heard was that they did test A3S and A4S, but not thoroughly. Like they tested each phase separately, so the testers were going into each phase with all of their cooldowns available, which is why some of the A3S DPS checks were really really absurd in a real environment.

Which was a fight that was near a week 1 clear in a world where crafted weapons were not yet a thing so what is the point exactly?.
The real gear check was A4S not A3S and that is corroborated by the world first group.
What they said in the interwiew is only part of their testing process, which btw they reiterated recently for the new ultimate, they do use the invincibility cheat engine, but it's used for the starting phase to better understand mechanics and then they proceed to a phase by phase testing culminating to a more real enviroment testing.

I don't understand why ppl need to go so hard into this crusade of saying the devs don't know their own game and twisting their own words for it like it's something happening only here.

Anyway it's for this reason too that I think SE shouldn't tell exact rotations or be clear on many factors, if ppl can't trust the dev team I don't understand how they can expect them to teach other players how to play

[Lambdafish]

Pretty much this. Quite the amusing oversight, it did make for a mostly good raid tier though!

I wouldn't call Gordias "good" (In fact I'd say it was the worst tier they have ever made in some ways), but it certainly was something special.

[HyoMinPark]

(In fact I'd say it was the worst tier they have ever made in some ways)

Nah, that award goes to Deltascape.

I never did Gordias when it was relevant; I didn’t do it until LONG after it was nerfed and made irrelevant, and I will agree that it was poorly tested and tuned. But some of the fights (Oppressor, Living Liquid) just seemed better than some of the tiers after it. The best raid tier award goes to Midas, though. Most raiders tend to agree that, outside of Coil, it’s the best.

[Sebazy]

I'd argue A3S was one of the best encounters in the game, it'd perhaps be my all time favourite if it was a little more visually appealing and had have been positioned as the final boss of the tier instead.

Slight derail but it's a fair opinion, I'd also chalk up A4S as one of the worst designed encounters in the game. The concept and vision was good, but it was just horridly executed. Nisi/Pentacle just didn't work as intended whilst the Manipulator itself was just a boring static lump that sat there pooping out the occasional missile. I count myself lucky that I was with a wonderful fun and friendly group for it as they provided the entertainment, not the boss.

Gordias works for me because I quite enjoyed A1S/A2S as well, they weren't as impressive as Midas (nothing else has been really), but they were well tuned and Faust was a fantastic troll of a gate keeper

[KaldeaSahaline]

I'd argue A3S was one of the best encounters in the game, it'd perhaps be my all time favourite if it was a little more visually appealing and had have been positioned as the final boss of the tier instead.

Slight derail but it's a fair opinion, I'd also chalk up A4S as one of the worst designed encounters in the game. The concept and vision was good, but it was just horridly executed. Nisi/Pentacle just didn't work as intended whilst the Manipulator itself was just a boring static lump that sat there pooping out the occasional missile. I count myself lucky that I was with a wonderful fun and friendly group for it as they provided the entertainment, not the boss.

Gordias works for me because I quite enjoyed A1S/A2S as well, they weren't as impressive as Midas (nothing else has been really), but they were well tuned and Faust was a fantastic troll of a gate keeper

I have to agree with this almost word for word.

I quite liked A1S as an intro encounter. A2S was ok, but as a DRG and being forced to drive kinda sucked, because it was scripted and I could do it with my eyes closed. If it were up to me I'd probably have removed the driver and had the bombs be something you had to DPS down separately, spawn randomly (kinda like T6 bulbs, I loved SCoB), reposition party/mobs away from and have them do damage based on health remaining. Maybe have it so killing them entirely would also leave a permanent void zone, so you had to be leery about killing them too quickly, or in a bad position.

A3S was a great fight. Like you said, the boss model was really lame though. Couple that with the netcode issues and it's a messy fight, but A VERY fun one. Should definitely have been the final fight.

A4S was boring. It had decent mechanics, but again, was boring. I don't think I could have said it better than Sebazy myself.

[Kazrah]

Nah, that award goes to Deltascape.

I never did Gordias when it was relevant; I didn’t do it until LONG after it was nerfed and made irrelevant, and I will agree that it was poorly tested and tuned. But some of the fights (Oppressor, Living Liquid) just seemed better than some of the tiers after it. The best raid tier award goes to Midas, though. Most raiders tend to agree that, outside of Coil, it’s the best.

Gordias was such a hardline dps check that if your job wasn't in the meta, there was no real way you could get into a static, far more than at any other point in the game's recent history. It was so bad that even Yoshi admitted they messed up with the difficulty, and it was even pointed out that 98% of all Gordias Savage clear groups involved a Scholar because of their effective dps as a healer.

In fact, I'd argue that Midas was only good because of how bad the previous raid tier was. No matter how bad any other raid tier may be, Gordias is the only one post-ARR where devs openly said "we messed up" in regard to any raid tier.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Gordias was such a hardline dps check that if your job wasn't in the meta, there was no real way you could get into a static, far more than at any other point in the game's recent history. It was so bad that even Yoshi admitted they messed up with the difficulty, and it was even pointed out that 98% of all Gordias Savage clear groups involved a Scholar because of their effective dps as a healer.

In fact, I'd argue that Midas was only good because of how bad the previous raid tier was. No matter how bad any other raid tier may be, Gordias is the only one post-ARR where devs openly said "we messed up" in regard to any raid tier.

That doesn't mean the actual concept was poor though, just their execution. Many raiders will speak fondly over Living Liquid yet despise Manipulator, not because of the latter's challenged. Just due to how boring the fight was. If they pushed Living Liquid into the final boss slot, reworked A2S a little so one person wasn't effectively out each week, Gordias would have been fine.

You'd argue inaccurately then. Midas' popularity is widely accredited to the more intricate boss designs, and how fantastic Brute Justice was as a fight. They could probably have brought A6S down slightly more, but otherwise Midas simply fixed all the mistakes Gordias made. Creator, despite being significantly easier, also delivered some stellar fight design, Refurbishor notwithstanding. Delta and Sigma is where it went downhill.

[Zephera]

Just going to add my voice to the group saying they liked A3S, messy as it was with how finicky some of the mechanics could be, I still found it a very fun fight. I did not enjoy A4S though.

[KageTokage]

Honestly, though parsers can contribute towards toxicity the actual impact they have on the game overall is far from "destroying" it.

If there's anything that's legitimately screwing up the game, it's those hordes of botters throwing PvP matches for the sake of easy EXP and controlling the market board on practically every server. They continuously detract from two major aspects of gameplay, while toxic parsing elitists are only an occasional thing.

[AxlStream]

I wouldnt call pvp major but you do you...