A consumable snowcone costs 5$

[ManuelBravo]

also it is not fair to newer players who did not get the chance to "stock up" on the limited event item. I know quite a few that stock up tons of these things and puts them on some alt's retainer encase they need them in the future because that is better then needing to pay 5 dollars or w/e for 5 of them or something, like the cherry trees.

So by your reasoning everyone should have the same opportunity even though they where not around like us mere mortals that actually had to pay a subscription? -.-; What kind of logic is that? How is this for logic, those who actually pay get priority to content as it is released, those who put in their time in get rewarded for their hard work and are not left behind. Ever heard hard work pays off? Same concept. Now then I will agree spending $5 for an item like that is just wrong. On the other hand I do believe in the proverb " a fool and his money are soon parted" - Thomas Tusser

[kikix12]

Being new does not entitle you to collect all the past items you've missed from previous years.

There's a huge problem with that logic. This is a paid game. You have to buy the game as everyone else and pay the same subscription as everyone else for the time spent. Yet you have no access to actual content that others have unless you pay extra. This does make the idea of time-limited DIGITAL goods shady at best.

When talking about physical items...there's no issue there. Want a limited item?! Go and find someone that have it then buy it off of him. Sure. You may pay 10 times the cost, but then again, you may pay less or about the same. What matters is that both you and that person use the same market.

Here you get the item in-game for "free" (subscription makes it so that NOTHING in this game is free at all, at any point, even when you ignore the initial buy). But those afterwards can get UNLIMITED amount of these limited items...using a real world money.


Is it a crime?! No. Is it shady?! Most certainly. And honestly...I'm still surprised how many of the business practices in gaming industry aren't considered a scam yet, like "buy" buttons in marketboards when you actually "license" or "rent" something...and therefore do not own ANYTHING at all, which is a prime requirement for the use of term "buy".

[Remedi]

No offense but this is not the only online game with time limited goods. Pre expansion events on wow had some limited items that never came back.

Now i'm not saying that it is ok to put festive items in the store AND since there's the double standard of last year gold saucer rewards I'm raising my eyebrow to the tactic, but honestly we need to remember the contetx and the past of the company imho

[Skivvy]

There's a huge problem with that logic. This is a paid game. You have to buy the game as everyone else and pay the same subscription as everyone else for the time spent. Yet you have no access to actual content that others have unless you pay extra. This does make the idea of time-limited DIGITAL goods shady at best.

When talking about physical items...there's no issue there. Want a limited item?! Go and find someone that have it then buy it off of him. Sure. You may pay 10 times the cost, but then again, you may pay less or about the same. What matters is that both you and that person use the same market.

Here you get the item in-game for "free" (subscription makes it so that NOTHING in this game is free at all, at any point, even when you ignore the initial buy). But those afterwards can get UNLIMITED amount of these limited items...using a real world money.


Is it a crime?! No. Is it shady?! Most certainly. And honestly...I'm still surprised how many of the business practices in gaming industry aren't considered a scam yet, like "buy" buttons in marketboards when you actually "license" or "rent" something...and therefore do not own ANYTHING at all, which is a prime requirement for the use of term "buy".

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that particular point. IMO, Entitlement is strong with many people, and there is absolutely no reason why someone who is coming into a game late should get old items that came and went with an event.

As I mentioned in that post, I am a total fluff lover. I've missed out on several past items due to not playing at the time (this game and others), and while I'm bummed that I missed out, I absolutely do not feel that I deserve to have the items. If the items were brought back around for each time the event came around, I'd be ecstatic, but I do not expect it nor demand it.

"Subscription makes it so that NOTHING in this game is free at all" - with that line, one could argue that players that obtained items from the original events already paid for the items with their sub, something new players did not have to do. Buying it off the mogstation is the fee they pay for not paying a subscription while the event was taking place. That's not exactly how I feel on that particular matter, but I just thought the comment was odd since it didn't really support the rest of your thoughts. More playing devil's advocate with that quote

[BillyKaplan]

I'll just sit here, waiting for more things to be buyable with achievement points

[Skivvy]

I'll just sit here, waiting for more things to be buyable with achievement points

/comfort. I hope you're a patient one D:

[Mahrze]

There's a huge problem with that logic. This is a paid game. You have to buy the game as everyone else and pay the same subscription as everyone else for the time spent. Yet you have no access to actual content that others have unless you pay extra. This does make the idea of time-limited DIGITAL goods shady at best.

When talking about physical items...there's no issue there. Want a limited item?! Go and find someone that have it then buy it off of him. Sure. You may pay 10 times the cost, but then again, you may pay less or about the same. What matters is that both you and that person use the same market.

Here you get the item in-game for "free" (subscription makes it so that NOTHING in this game is free at all, at any point, even when you ignore the initial buy). But those afterwards can get UNLIMITED amount of these limited items...using a real world money.


Is it a crime?! No. Is it shady?! Most certainly. And honestly...I'm still surprised how many of the business practices in gaming industry aren't considered a scam yet, like "buy" buttons in marketboards when you actually "license" or "rent" something...and therefore do not own ANYTHING at all, which is a prime requirement for the use of term "buy".

The starting point is the concept that (culturally speaking) the company believes and has harvested that belief of digital "limited" items. I honestly believe they are aware that their "successful" game merchandise sells -because- a portion of the player-base expects these items to be limited and thus gives them a faux status quo oh "I have rare things" and we've seen those threads and how those topics go.

[Sigma-Astra]

There's a huge problem with that logic. This is a paid game. You have to buy the game as everyone else and pay the same subscription as everyone else for the time spent. Yet you have no access to actual content that others have unless you pay extra. This does make the idea of time-limited DIGITAL goods shady at best.

When talking about physical items...there's no issue there. Want a limited item?! Go and find someone that have it then buy it off of him. Sure. You may pay 10 times the cost, but then again, you may pay less or about the same. What matters is that both you and that person use the same market.

Here you get the item in-game for "free" (subscription makes it so that NOTHING in this game is free at all, at any point, even when you ignore the initial buy). But those afterwards can get UNLIMITED amount of these limited items...using a real world money.


Is it a crime?! No. Is it shady?! Most certainly. And honestly...I'm still surprised how many of the business practices in gaming industry aren't considered a scam yet, like "buy" buttons in marketboards when you actually "license" or "rent" something...and therefore do not own ANYTHING at all, which is a prime requirement for the use of term "buy".

It's not shady. People really need to stop using that word against concepts that they don't like. It's a marketing tool, and yes one that you don't agree with at all, but it is in no way shady. For it to be considered shady, we'd have to venture and teeter on the line of it being illegal somehow or that the item in question is not being what was perfectly advertised, and it's not that kind of situation at all.

It does not matter if it's a paid game or whether or not you are buying it just like everyone else, spending the same amount of money and time for the subscription. No one is entitled towards everything that the game offers for free, in the same manner that new players purchasing this game and SB are not entitled towards getting the digital items from the previous collector's editions without paying the set fees that everyone else had to pay to get them.

It's about the same with actual physical items. You are not entitled towards everything that you see or want as Skivvy has pointed on beforehand. The sense of entitlement for players is really strong in this game for some reason.

[Mahrze]

It does not matter if it's a paid game or whether or not you are buying it just like everyone else, spending the same amount of money and time for the subscription. No one is entitled towards everything that the game offers for free, in the same manner that new players purchasing this game and SB are not entitled towards getting the digital items from the previous collector's editions without paying the set fees that everyone else had to pay to get them.

This, if you add to it, certain people have paid a whole lot more just with sub time alone.

[TheGrimace]

(It's totally shady.)