Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[HyoMinPark]

I am well aware, kick them after, they need to learn some way or another.

Except kicking them teaches them nothing. Especially if it doesn't even pass.

[Remedi]

It's more probable that they'll write an angry post here or on reddit about bad behavior and toxicity of other players instead of improving themselves in fact

[HyoMinPark]

It's more probable that they'll write an angry post here or on reddit about bad behavior and toxicity of other players instead of improving themselves in fact

Very likely.

[Sigma-Astra]

If they do that, you're going to get a bunch of people quit right away. Not because they are bad, but because they don't want to play the game like raiders play the game. The way the game is now the only issue with dps is in savage, and to be blunt it ought to stay that way, because the risk of the game become as un fun as savage (and yes, people surprisingly dont find it fun, its why very few people do or complete it)

If you have a legal parser, you're asking for min-max style raiding to filter down, and the next thing they'll ask for is much harder casual content to force people to actually use the parsers and look up and practice the rotations. That's not going to be a fun game for a lot of people. I watched people struggle with royal menagerie and tusukyomi hard...if the game gets any harder in casual content, you'll start to see people unable to complete it, same as easy ex content.

Honestly, the game is fine casually. If you want a parser in savage and only savage, with the proviso theres a high dps check to be done solo to even get in it, ok. But the game as is, is fine for most people.

Define most people. Most people does not include just what you think and that's what I feel like you're doing. You're taking your own thoughts and thinking that most casual players share that same sentiment, you're not a spokesperson for the entire casual player base, Riyah.

And right now, you're trying to act like it. The game is not fine casually when I've got people in leveling dungeons asking me if this skill is useful or not because reading your tooltips isn't always enough to get by, people who tank while facing the mobs TOWARDS the group, healers who panic and heal reactively instead of proactively, and some healers who argue that Regen is useless. And the moment I try to offer some friendly, courteous advice....I get my head bitten off for trying to help and be nice.

I've got level 70 jobs in expert that don't use their entire toolkits or rotations correctly. Just because you, personally, think it's fine doesn't mean it is fine for others.

Please, speak for yourself, not for others.

Edit: Also, what are you talking about Tsuki hard? There is no hard. There's the normal trial and the EX trial and if you're talking about the EX trial being too hard, then....your argument just got shot in the foot because that's the whole point.

[Vstarstruck]

Except kicking them teaches them nothing. Especially if it doesn't even pass.

I am sure ill pass if a DPS is derping and mouthing off to a tank and healer? >.>
I had most kicks pass, I wonder if you ever saw a rant about my kickings XD

[HyoMinPark]

I am sure ill pass if a DPS is derping and mouthing off to a tank and healer? >.>
I had most kicks pass, I wonder if you ever saw a rant about my kickings XD

More often than not, the people I have actually tried to vote dismiss over actual harassment — not even bad play, but legitimate harassment and/or trolling — have never passed because they have queued in with others that enable them to stay. Also more often than not, any vote dismisses that have been initiated in dungeons are usually ignored because others aren’t paying attention to the things the person is doing (for example, a DPS doing just slightly more than simply auto-attacking), or because they don’t care to get rid of the problem. Kicking still doesn’t really solve anything, since the offender won’t know why they’re kicked unless people tell them anyways. And, perhaps it’s jaded of me, but I doubt they would even seriously consider the why or what they could do differently regardless, because people who don’t care about wasting 3 or 7 other people’s time aren’t going to care to improve their personal play either.

Adding this here because posting limits are dumb:

Now I am here, hoping others do the same, do not just let them walk over you and you simply "tolerate it" because it is easier and less work. You may of passed up someone, willing to accept advice, because of your bad experience to others, you could made a difference, to that player.

Whether you’re intending to sound condescending or not, I’m just going to say that this comes off as such. I have no qualms about helping other people — I helped three people last night on my sprout alt that were new to some of the level 50 dungeons and weren’t sure why they died; I’ve even been posting to a person on here and offered them my Discord to help them with BRD since it is my main — but when I think people aren’t going to listen or call me names, I deem it not worth it at the end of the day. This is much the case when it comes to telling DPS to AOE large packs in dungeons: I’ve told so many people so many times to do this and they just don’t. So I don’t waste my breath anymore in most cases; I only speak up if others do, because any other time I’ve taken it upon myself to say something to someone who isn’t AOEing or who died to a mechanic multiple times, I get the typical “stop telling me how to play, elitist”/“you don’t pay my sub” comments. I’ve even gotten some from other party members saying “it doesn’t matter” so...that’s that.

You can’t make people who don’t care want to care.

I’m going to leave this conversation at that, because it’s not really going anywhere. You have your experiences, and I have mine. At the end of the day, your personal experiences are different from mine, which have shaped me into the player I am — one who stopped wearing a crown and helping others because they decided enough verbal abuse was enough. If people ask, sure, I’ll help. But I don’t speak up in duties of my own volition anymore.

Corruption wins in FFXIV. You can preach your good from your heart, but all you will get in return on these forums is a snide, and short click baiting comment. They know they are doing harm, but don’t care, so the moment you post something like this, the people who don’t care rush to upvote said comment, and make sure the person regrets posting. Don’t think that when people inevitably move on that it’s over. Any time you make another thread, people will quote you, and remind you that they don’t like you, and what kind of a person they think you are. This is the mob mentality.

Did you even read the thread?

[Vstarstruck]

More often than not, the people I have actually tried to vote dismiss over actual harassment — not even bad play, but legitimate harassment and/or trolling — have never passed because they have queued in with others that enable them to stay. Also more often than not, any vote dismisses that have been initiated in dungeons are usually ignored because others aren’t paying attention to the things the person is doing (for example, a DPS doing just slightly more than simply auto-attacking), or because they don’t care to get rid of the problem. Kicking still doesn’t really solve anything, since the offender won’t know why they’re kicked unless people tell them anyways. And, perhaps it’s jaded of me, but I doubt they would even seriously consider the why or what they could do differently regardless, because people who don’t care about wasting 3 or 7 other people’s time aren’t going to care to improve their personal play either.

They know why you kicked the if you are trying to give them tips then the reply is "You do not play for my sub" This might of been posted in the tails thread, or someone told me, I really do not remember, but the last occurrence I know of that was pretty out there as far as kicking stories goes is the following:

So they get in the first room, the tank does not pull the monsters to the orb thing and it explodes. The person outside of the queued with others spoke up about this and got stuff like "You do not pay for my sub" After a bit before the first boss, she proposes the kick. It passed then the other 2 leave, it was pretty weird.

In the end of the day it is this:
https://youtu.be/2GunVwl6K4M

It may not work every time, I might even get kicked myself, but at the end of the day, out of say 100 times, if one listens, gets better, accepts the advice, I did my part to make the community better. For the rest, I hope they think twice because it lead them getting kicked, if not, there is still those that I helped and thanked me. Now I am here, hoping others do the same, do not just let them walk over you and you simply "tolerate it" because it is easier and less work. You may of passed up someone, willing to accept advice, because of your bad experience to others, you could made a difference, to that player.

So I don’t waste my breath anymore in most cases; I only speak up if others do, because any other time I’ve taken it upon myself to say something to someone who isn’t AOEing or who died to a mechanic multiple times, I get the typical “stop telling me how to play, elitist”/“you don’t pay my sub” comments. I’ve even gotten some from other party members saying “it doesn’t matter” so...that’s that.

Kick them then, that is the point of my post. I do not stop, either they get removed or I do, then I file a GM report. People will learn. I got no interest in playing with people that are most likely trolling at that point anyway. I do not see my posts to you as condescending.

But I don’t speak up in duties of my own volition anymore.

I feel this is the wrong approach because people get to this point simply not knowing what they are doing wrong and I learned this from people i did speak to on my own volition. You can't expect people to ask a question if they do not know if there is a question to be asked, or know if there is a problem.

[DamianFatale]

Corruption wins in FFXIV. You can preach your good from your heart, but all you will get in return on these forums is a snide, and short click baiting comment. They know they are doing harm, but don’t care, so the moment you post something like this, the people who don’t care rush to upvote said comment, and make sure the person regrets posting. Don’t think that when people inevitably move on that it’s over. Any time you make another thread, people will quote you, and remind you that they don’t like you, and what kind of a person they think you are. This is the mob mentality.

[KaivaC]

Corruption wins in FFXIV. You can preach your good from your heart, but all you will get in return on these forums is a snide, and short click baiting comment. They know they are doing harm, but don’t care, so the moment you post something like this, the people who don’t care rush to upvote said comment, and make sure the person regrets posting. Don’t think that when people inevitably move on that it’s over. Any time you make another thread, people will quote you, and remind you that they don’t like you, and what kind of a person they think you are. This is the mob mentality.

...what? Corruption wins in FFXIV? Hyperbole much?

[Deceptus]

and the next thing they'll ask for is much harder casual content to force people to actually use the parsers and look up and
practice the rotations.

Because Hydaelyn forbid they actually be competent at the jobs they're playing . . .