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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    Also yes, various sorts of melee weapons with firearms attached to them were made, but the other reason why they had limited distribution was because of just how unwieldy they were, especially due to the vast majority of them being incapable of being reloaded if fired (which usually required being close range) and just ending up being less of a weapon and more of an ornament.
    Eh...Yeah. People would pay tons of money to get a useless ornamental sword fused with a gun instead of an ornamental sword AND an ornamental gun both of which COULD be used...

    Yes, they probably were not much of a gun (only one of those shown on the photos was a "revolver"), but that doesn't mean they weren't used because of being unwieldy. It just means that before the technology grew high enough to make it viable, guns increased so much in their utility that the melee element was no longer needed beyond a simple bayonet.

    Gun-sword is a MELEE weapon that can help shooting that guy few meters in front of you before he shoots you. A rifle with bayonet is a ranged weapon that can be used in melee. And since ALL melee weapons in warfare went the way of dinosaurs eventually (with exception of daggers/knives) as guns were developed, it's pretty obvious that the purpose of a gun-blade simply was not needed before the technology could make it better and cheaper to make. You know...weapons, guns especially, never were cheap or easy to make in the times of swords.

    Also, arguments about it being unwieldy are born from a poor design of them in game, not from reality. There is absolutely no reason why a short sword could not have a gun handle...and that's the only real change. The "gun" part is where the hilt normally is, so extra weight is added at the point of hand. And that's nothing that cannot be counteracted with weight on the other side of the handle. Like it was done for normal swords too. Well represented by the long one that is on the second photo.


    Katars are held much like a gunblade would, and yet they existed and were pretty widely used (and there were ones well-suited for slashing attacks). And I dare say that a gun-sword would be a piercing weapon more than anything anyway in reality.

    Balance is based on material density and distribution. There were tons of low-quality swords that were poorly balanced and were unwieldy, just because the smith didn't know any better.

    So there is no reason why an ergonomically sound gun-blade could not be made.


    That being said... this exists. And yes, that is a blue mage. With a gun. Not a gun-blade, a gun.
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  2. #42
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    nvm was said above
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  3. #43
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    I can see Blue Mages coming from Thavnair; some Thavnairian aesthetics look Middle Eastern. Plus I remember reading somewhere that Thavnairian chemists are some of the best in the world--chemistry was involved in the birth of Blue Magic in FF11, IIRC. It's totally possible that Blue Mages could come from Thavnair, with Thavnairian weapons to wield. It's just a theory, though.
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    Ok so, wild theory but follow me.

    What if BLU was actually teased in HW? What if the strange mechanic at the end of regula solo trial is meant to tell us that with ceruleum you can create simulacrums of other creatures and use their powers?
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    My choices are:

    Mace
    Glunblade scimitars
    hammer (especially if they never intend on adding Green Mage like FFXII)
    whip or some sort of stringed blade/blunt weapon. wired lance from PSO2 is neat.

    As for appearance I'd love a combination of the middle eastern theme mixed with the
    super hero appearance of FF5.

    Can't wait to see what they do!
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    I personally don't want to see BLUEMAGE in FFXIV I don't think it would fit correctly with the idea of the core of what BLUE MAGE is. Sure they have completely reworked some of the jobs but at there core they all week there main trait. BLUE main trait would be limited with there a summoner with only 3 summons.

    There would be no learning mechanitic from mobs. And Ability list would be so limited it wouldn't be worth it. LOOK at FFXI 100+ abilties but you can only use X amount at a time. And inturn ENDGAME becomes do you have these 20 abilities. NO GO AWAY.
    BLUEMAGE at it's core don't work in MMOs vs stand alone games because in stand alone games you get to play the way you want to more vs what is the best way to play.
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  7. #47
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    I think a large stupid stick would work, to hit stupid people in game with no?
    Kidding aside i think Mace like others have said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    Ok so, wild theory but follow me.

    What if BLU was actually teased in HW? What if the strange mechanic at the end of regula solo trial is meant to tell us that with ceruleum you can create simulacrums of other creatures and use their powers?
    That would be pretty cool, heck even regula charging animation while channeling the blue tiger looks like the blue Mage casting animation from FFXI. Just a little more fancy.

    Plz garlean magiteck blue Mage tank for 5.0 Square
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  9. #49
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    Hammer or Scimitar like weapons? A scimitar seems to fit a Thavnair look much better, at least to me.
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    Bit of a tangent, but speaking of real life gun-swords, one of my favourite spin-offs of the concept was the fist-gun.

    The trigger was on the end, poking out past your knuckles, you fired it by punching the target.
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