[Suggestion] Account cleaning

[Daniolaut]

Also, I will repeat. I have absolutely 0 strikes on this game for behavior.

I am also not talking about rage players or people who are out of hand. I’m talking about:

Item restoration.
Character restoration
And small infractions such as cursing in chat

And other similar seemingly innocent, but very un-forgiven by Square-Enix incidents.

[Crystal_Raven]

This won't ever happen.

The SE staff sees using curse words as a crime that deserves a warning or a ban. No, not insulting or harassing, just using random curse words just in how you speak.

That's a ban worthy crime apparently.

[Canadane]

Being able to conduct yourself professionally is a task for some.

[Daniolaut]

Being able to conduct yourself professionally is a task for some.

Some people like to relax and let loose, sometimes.

Also some people make mistakes.

I personally would never claim to be perfect.

[JunseiKei]

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I am also not talking about rage players or people who are out of hand. I’m talking about:

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And small infractions such as cursing in chat

And other similar seemingly innocent, but very un-forgiven by Square-Enix incidents.

This infraction absolutely makes no sense. You can curse like a sailor, for the most part, in game (apply common sense here, no slurs or anything). The only way you'd possibly get an infraction in game (forums are separate) with this is... avoiding language filters. It's an opt out setting to remove the filter. Basically, you knew exactly what you were doing that would warrant this punishment to take place. You need some semblance of personal responsibility over your behavior.

[kikix12]

So you’re saying having your child in your living room while you go cook, leaving the game on, and your kid deletes your character is a crime?

No. But it is certainly against terms of service. If anything, them not banning you for account sharing is already being lenient on their rules.

The game is for you to play and no one is allowed to have access to it. You take full responsibility for it. Even if you leave the room for a moment for a call of nature, it is your responsibility to make sure that no one will be able to mess anything up for you. Sorry, but someone that have a kid have two options.

1) Teach them not to touch certain stuff, one of those being the computer, unless explicitly given permission.
2) Adapt their lifestyle around the kid touching stuff even if you explicitly ban it. This is the only option for very young kids...too bad. Tough luck. Knew what you're getting into when working towards having a child.


There is no reason whatsoever to offer any more character/item restoration. Unless it's caused by a bug/hacking (at no fault of the account owner), at which point I'm quite sure these don't count towards the limit anyway. Think what you are doing. Don't delete stuff blindly and don't delete stuff if you don't need to. Like people deleting their alts because they "think" they will no longer use them, even if they don't need the slot.

Or simply using adult words in chat as descriptors or simply saying a curse word as discriptors on the forums is also a crime and no one should ever be forgiven?

It's against terms of service. That's why you may end up with a ban, not a court case.

Personally I think that there should be "lighter" and "heavier" offenses, with there being varied punishments based on which one is accumulated. Random swearing would be the lighter one, unless done specifically to bypass filter and the like. But hey. It's not like that and you should know it the moment you begun playing the game.

You are not aware some people just curse naturally and don’t ever intend it to be offensive? But claim it’s a crime?

Are you aware that, yes, in real life you could be fined repeatedly for swearing "naturally"?! That's a horrible habit that have no grounds to begin with. If someone doesn't deal with it enough to be able to watch their tongue (heck, "fingers" in this case!), then they should be ready to deal with the repercussions. Take responsibility for your traits...Not only the good ones, but the bad ones too.

[Gemina]

I don't know. I mean, I'm in the camp that would never get a strike because we never do anything to get them: Log on, play them game, follow the ToS, log off. No problems, ever, other than the rare troll who tempts me to break the rules. That's not a systemic issue though.

Do players get strikes and bans under false pretenses? Even if this is the case, you will need to look at the players you're surrounding yourself and fraternizing with. If you hang out with the wrong crowd, you'll get caught in the net that is cast to reel them in.

I still get the feeling something is going on here that I am not aware of. But for the most part, I am always going to agree that if you don't play by their rules, then the have every right to not allow you play. Doesn't really matter how miniscule the offense.

[KisaiTenshi]

I don't know. I mean, I'm in the camp that would never get a strike because we never do anything to get them: Log on, play them game, follow the ToS, log off. No problems, ever, other than the rare troll who tempts me to break the rules. That's not a systemic issue though.

ToS breakage is a systemic problem by raiders due to parsers. Broken Windows theory.

broken windows theory A theory in criminology supported by various experiments regarding the norm-setting and signalling effects of urban chaos (e.g., broken windows, disrepair of buildings, poorly groomed parks, etc.) and vandalism on further crime and anti-social behaviour.

While interpretations of the data differ according to the author, the experiments suggest that correction of small problems—which, if left in disrepair, signal an indifference to the community by the powers of authority—prevents that negative message from extending to an entire building, institution or section of a community.

So the result of that is "SE doesn't do anythiing", and I've seen that in other games, where people will violate the ToS with impunity even on official forums. Outside of official forums people readily admit to what crimes they engage in, such as reddit, and discord. Those involved can't "narc" on anyone else otherwise they will be admitting to the same crimes.

Do players get strikes and bans under false pretenses? Even if this is the case, you will need to look at the players you're surrounding yourself and fraternizing with. If you hang out with the wrong crowd, you'll get caught in the net that is cast to reel them in.

I still get the feeling something is going on here that I am not aware of. But for the most part, I am always going to agree that if you don't play by their rules, then the have every right to not allow you play. Doesn't really matter how miniscule the offense.

As far as I know and remember, earlier community management moderators were a lot more aggressive to banning profanity, while ignoring rules about data mining. If you note, if you click the "report" icon, you can only report people for being rude, you can't report them for ToS violations.

The game itself however, GM's actively monitor the chat system, or have much lower tolerance for profanity, because I know of players who were given temp bans for just profanity. There is an active pushback against language that is racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic, in all games, but other games have voice chat to consider.

[Kaurhz]

To be fair, it's not like SE gives bans like handouts (generally). So if by chance you manage to actually pull it off then you probably did well and deserve it, and something like that doesn't shouldn't really have a second chance. An appeal is enough if that's not sufficient and your account remains banned, then you have paid the price for breaking the ToS - Which need I might add people should have read when signing up.

Granted I've elected to skim the entire thread now, whether it's a small infraction such as cursing in chat, that is still explicitly stated in the ToS. If people get warned or banned for it then it probably wasn't a 1-off.

As for item and character restoration, I don't think this feature should be strictly limited to once per account through the entire lifespan of the game. Particularly when in some cases people aren't fully aware of this when restoring items. I may be recalling incorrectly but when I went to get an item restore on my blank ceremony invitations, nothing was mentioned of the limitation, again, if I remember correctly so I could be wrong. I do think there should be a time period where this 'rule' is reset. Or this rule/limitation should be explicitly prompted to you prior to using the service

But again, infractions, minor or major should be punished, reasonably and in severity of the act(s) committed. Reading and following the terms of service is not a difficult.

[alimdia]

The item restoration policy should be changed to once per year at the very least, a game that could span over a decade shouldn't have an once in a lifetime restoration. It's things like this why people in MMO forums say FFXIV has bad customer service, there's no such limitation in WoW or even in f2p games.

I'm okay with character restoration being once in a lifetime because that's not something you do by accident, you can regret it once, but not twice.

For infractions I think all infractions should have an expiration date, make it long, something like 2-3 years. It would absolutely makes no sense to ban someone in 2020 because they said something bad in 2013.