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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    It doesn't rely heavily on DPS checks. You only get them in ex trials and savage, which is a tiny part of the game.
    And what's now the problem for you, if the parser is only for that content?
    A parser is only needed in content with dps-checks.
    You said, you're not doing raids. So why do you have a problem with it? It wouldn't effect you in any way ö.ö


    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    And tbh, most people do fine enough by eyeballing it. People here talk a lot of junk about needing it when they really use it to optimize, not to be competent.
    Just diffrent kinds of playstyles.
    Some just want to do the bare minimum, some just want to play good and optimize. Both are fine, if you play with the same kind of ppl around you.


    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    They define what is good much higher than what is needed to beat the content, which is why FFLogs sucks.
    So you didn't get it how FFlogs work?
    It is the best option we have imo, to analyze our Fights, find better Rotations, Openers etc..
    If you don't want that, it's ok. But don't blame things you just don't unterstand^^
    This is the "typical hardcore casual" harassment over such things.
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  2. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post

    And tbh, most people do fine enough by eyeballing it. People here talk a lot of junk about needing it when they really use it to optimize, not to be competent. They define what is good much higher than what is needed to beat the content, which is why FFLogs sucks.
    Would you tell healers and tanks to just guess health and aggro? Why are people so against other players bettering themselves. Ignorance is not bliss and this simplistic style is the main rEason most people clear and unsub, there is no personal inretest in keep playing
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    It doesn't rely heavily on DPS checks. You only get them in ex trials and savage, which is a tiny part of the game.
    Every boss in Rabanastre has a DPS check, Hashmal has four (2x orbs, tower, golems), final boss has 2 back to back. Yiazmat has two, Belias has one. NM trials all have DPS checks, it's been a thing for years now, as early as Ifrit's nails. Not only that but a few have soft enrages.

    Dungeons are littered with them too. Zenos, Fractal HM final boss, Genbu has one, Wukong has one. Deep Dungeons are full of them, about half the mobs in there enrage if you don't kill them fast enough.

    So...Yeah. DPS checks aren't exclusive to EX/Savage. They may be easier outside of those, but they exist. Get your facts straight.
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  4. #94
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    I think we need to be careful of that subject when there is DPS-Checks, the most important thing is whether it was scripted to end a party or simply heavily damage a party.

    A Scripted Fatal Death would be something like Phantom Train Savage as you're not meant to survive that attack, I take great issue with that as you shouldn't punish players for making it near the end despite doing every mechanic correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaliesto View Post
    I think we need to be careful of that subject when there is DPS-Checks, the most important thing is whether it was scripted to end a party or simply heavily damage a party.

    A Scripted Fatal Death would be something like Phantom Train Savage as you're not meant to survive that attack, I take great issue with that as you shouldn't punish players for making it near the end despite doing every mechanic correctly.
    If a group sees enrage while doing all mechanics correctly that means the vast majority of that group is not playing properly or is made up of multiple tanks and healers (who still aren't playing properly because you can theoretically make the dps checks in 5/6/maybe 7s with a group of healers/tanks playing well). If you see enrage there were some incredibly serious issues somewhere with how lenient enrages are, even in savage. All enrage timers do is punish sloppy play which is the point of doing hard content, you should actually be doing it not scraping by by the skin of your teeth (or the backpack of skilled healers).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaliesto View Post
    I think we need to be careful of that subject when there is DPS-Checks, the most important thing is whether it was scripted to end a party or simply heavily damage a party.

    A Scripted Fatal Death would be something like Phantom Train Savage as you're not meant to survive that attack, I take great issue with that as you shouldn't punish players for making it near the end despite doing every mechanic correctly.
    You didn't do every mechanic correctly, multiple players failed the part where you need to push buttons to do damage.
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    They define what is good much higher than what is needed to beat the content, which is why FFLogs sucks.
    So you don't understand how fflogs work and thats why it sucks? Fflogs is a very good tool if you know how to use it.

    Guess where all of your propper rotations are from. It comes from people who are parsing and using fflogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaliesto View Post
    I think we need to be careful of that subject when there is DPS-Checks, the most important thing is whether it was scripted to end a party or simply heavily damage a party.

    A Scripted Fatal Death would be something like Phantom Train Savage as you're not meant to survive that attack, I take great issue with that as you shouldn't punish players for making it near the end despite doing every mechanic correctly.
    Every fight with a bad group or underperforming players would turn into one of those 20 minute 100+ death Construct 7 fights or people will just run safe groups/turtle strats where dps no longer matters. No thanks. SE put a minimum standard the party needs to meet to beat it, if you hit the auto kill that means the group failed collectively.
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    Big problem with society now is this safe space feelings overruling everything else

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    So, I was the one who made the suggestion earlier in the thread (now deleted) about kicking players automatically if they perform below par. I'll admit, I wasn't in a great mood back when I made those posts and wasn't thinking straight. I've had more time to subsconsciously think it over and realised just how garbage an idea it actually was. So yeah, deleting the posts was definitely the right move to make. I should never have suggested them in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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