Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Genoreaper]

Again I'll ask.

if you don't want us to know our dps as dps, let's remove health bars for healers because they should just know, and remove aggro signs for tanks because If they just play like they should it will be good enough.

WhIle some may think that's extreme let's be real. A tank is meant primarily to hold aggro, so they get an indicator at how well they are doing per mob, we all do so we can use our aggro reducing skills to assist. It would be hell without that tool. We don't expect you to blindly stay in tank stance following rotation. While helpful you could easily kick a tank that isn't doing their job and holding it, it is clearly displayed.

Healers have health bars for every party Member, not just their own, so they can effectively do their job and heal those in need. Again, we don't expect you to go blind and hope it works, YOU have the tools to succeed. A bad healer is easy to spot and remove based on this.

Removing bad tanks and healers for not performing their job is seen as acceptable, but when it comes to dps suddenly its taboo to judge?

Dps however is meant to do the most damage per second as possible and we have zero idea of how to Guage it.

the funny thing is there have been very few stories of being harassed about peoples parses directly, just secondhand stories, but in contrast there are thousands of parses posted wordlessly usually only for the their own numbers.

The game boils down to numbers, if my job is to do the most damage possible let me see and adjust it as needed. If you don't want us to know let's remove all floating numbers and treat every encounter with the same vagueness as sea stone and sky, just focus on blindly melting health bars with no numbers during a time limit.

[Odstarva]

Spot on, Geno, spot on.

And this is the reason why players that don't like feeling responsible all flee to the dps role - it's so much easier to be careless and lazy when people can't actively gauge how well you're preforming your job. Tanks and healers constantly feel that pressure, not the DPS though. Or at least, not with in-game tools (which translates into, if someone wants to kick a players for being bad and they just happen to be dps, suddenly the person kicking them is in trouble).

SE, still serious about trying to improve queue time for dps? Instead of trying to dumb down healing and tanking, put some pressure on DPS roles. You'll see numbers shifting a lot more when "I can be lazy in this role" no longer applies.

[Campi]

I think you guys don't unterstand it.

It's ok to blame tanks and healers for not doing their main goal right.
But if you criticize a dps for not doing good dmg everyone is losing their minds.

the poor dps players have such a hard job, just let them be lazy, if they want to :3

[ShadowHunterrX]

SE, still serious about trying to improve queue time for dps? Instead of trying to dumb down healing and tanking, put some pressure on DPS roles. You'll see numbers shifting a lot more when "I can be lazy in this role" no longer applies.

Or people will just stop playing ?

[micropanther7]

I think some people are failing to see the long-term consequences, that is the thing I'm getting out of this thread.

What they think is good may have unintended consequences later on, I would be careful ignoring some obvious growing problems in the community at large if left unchecked. Public Parsing Data should cease IMO to minimize future issues, and let SE handle a official private version to stop some of the problems going on right now.

I get it, I really do. But this player made parsing system for FFXIV is losing it's intended purpose. Also I'm aware I once called parsing quite toxic but only because bad people made it that way, and the last thing FFXIV needs and especially Yoshi P. is having it grow like a virus.

Also like some other players have said, and I can vouch for this that I've seen my fair share of bad PF groups antagonizing other players that are not them.

If people need straight evidence then I encourage everyone here to start screenshots because apparently people need some convincing.

Good post, I've thought a private parser would be a good idea, you can see how this kind of thread just seems to bring out the worst in people. I think what grinds my gears is the ridiculous assumptions from both sides of the fence so to speak (I don't use FFlogs and don't raid, therefore I mustn't monitor my dps, therefore I must be lazy and expect to be carried .. (I do like improving and maximising though for definite, I just don't like raiding, never have, never will). Or that all raiders are egotistical buttheads

[Genoreaper]

Or people will just stop playing ?

Less lazy /bad players hiding behind lack of basic tools quitting would still improve dps ques. I love this games complexity and mechanics over damage sponge mindset, if they want to faceroll and see big boom numbers there are other mmos that are just that like warcrack. I'm fine with my own parses but I've yet to see why anyone who is trying to learn and play better wouldn't want to actually see results. Seems like those opposed have something to hide even from themselves.

[KaivaC]

You know what, thinking on how many people just love to take this anti parser mess to the extreme, I am in agreement that harassment over dps numbers happens. I just highly doubt it's to the extent that certain individuals make it out to be.

So let's see it. Show some screenshots and prove that this toxicity is as prevalent as some of you say it is. Surely with all the energy that some of you have expended in saying that this harassment happens so much, you can bring in some screens with the names edited out. Real screenshots, too. Not set ups to make raiders look bad.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

[Ilan]

I joined a party for that once, and it was a lootmaster. Turns out the DRG partly leader had never cleared it, and was dead on the ground for most of the time. When we called him out on it, he said something along the lines of "It's my party, I can do what I want". We all left and blacklisted.

Well yeah he is right he can open a party like that. But i completly understand you and the others and i would've done the same.

[Crystal_Raven]

Had to log in just for this joke of a thread.

First off, paragraphs, please use them, reading that wall of text made my eyes hurt, I'm not kidding. My eyes actually hurt for like 5 minutes.

Second, no one cares about damage in anything outside savage. No one will bother you, no one will remove you from parties, they won't care about your existence. Endgame content aka savage and higher require the team to know what they're doing and be able to do good DPS. You are blaming player incompetence on parsers, which is insane to say the least.

There's no discrimination, it's simple thought process. If a player cannot carry his own weight in a raid, why would you allow said player to join? Why should I carry you when you are incapable of doing your job? Seems insane to me. Numbers tell reality, they do not lie, people however always lie about their skill level. People didn't suddenly stop using Shadewalker, Diversion and so on because of parsers, the good players still use them, what you are forgetting is that the majority of the playerbase is bad. This game is casual enough it appeals to the most casual people ever. They don't consider learning to play the class, they just press buttons and think they are doing extremely well when in reality, they are terrible.

Then there's the common argument of "you don't pay for my sub", which is fair, I am not paying your sub. You are not paying mine either, tell me again why I should play with you? I'm not forced to, I don't want to play with you if your performance is low. So I will just remove you from the party. I'm within my rights to do so.

[NovaPheonix]

And this is the reason why players that don't like feeling responsible all flee to the dps role - it's so much easier to be careless and lazy when people can't actively gauge how well you're preforming your job. Tanks and healers constantly feel that pressure, not the DPS though. Or at least, not with in-game tools (which translates into, if someone wants to kick a players for being bad and they just happen to be dps, suddenly the person kicking them is in trouble).

I'm willing to freely admit that the reason I play DPS as a newer player is that I can't handle the responsibility of tank or healer. I enjoy playing DPS as well, so it's not purely that...but it has to do with the fact that I don't like having to lead from the front. As a healer, I know that making a mistake could cost a lot more compared to doing less damage for a few seconds. The first time I tried to tank I did pretty badly, but it's something I'm still willing to do sparingly.

I don't actually see a problem with judging a DPS based on how well they do their job, but one of the reasons I like playing the role is that it lets me stress out less while I'm in a group.