Letter to Mr. Yoshi

[supaiku]

If someone wants to improve, they will benefit from seeing their own numbers.
If they don't want to improve, they can completely ignore that number.

No harm done.

Yes, I was thinking the same. That's why I don't get why we don't have an ingame parser yet, if it only shows our own numbers. We have a couple of fights with enrage timers, but we can't see how much damage we deal. Dying at ~2-3% because we hit the enrage is annoying, but changing a few things might give us the DPS that was missing. However, as a PS4 player, it's rather difficult to see if I could improve my damage with changing my opener, for example. Because all the time I rely on my static members to upload a parse from a third party program after we are done raiding for the day.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Most of the arguments I read are filled just *kick other players down* ... that's toxic.

If you don't want bad players waste your time, get friends,group up and never use DF. Bad players will never go away.... mind you. Parser wont help.

*kicking other players down* as in "the ice mage unwilling to learn or accept the basic concept of their class / job at lv50+", the "I am basically half-assing this while watching something on netflix sorry if it takes 5-10min longer to clear", the guy relying on a group to carry them through (you can never be low enough to not be able to clear content at your gear if you are at min ilvl). Yeah. Because it is toxic pointing out major issues. But I am sure John Doe watching netflix will be outraged to hear that Mr Smith is testing his own skill on content to see how well he plays without saying a word of how John Doe performs.

Just because official parsers would be a thing it wouldn't change the stance of SE to strictly forbid any form of harassment to other players, INCLUDING mercilessly calling out DPS numbers in a rude manner rather than "do you want to talk about it".

But I digress...

Your solution to bad players not improving is "just get friends and / or never use Duty Finder"? Why not actually give players (that could be unintentionally bad because they have nothing to measure their rotation on) a self-parser on-demand so they can work on themselves? All I get from your post is a vibe of you conforming bad players to stay bad and better players to suck it up.

All we ask for is a certain amount of competence - mind you that means stuff like not using enmity combos as an offtank unless specifically needed, not standing there for 10 seconds doing nothing because regen is enough to work with, using your AOE abilities for 6+ mob pulls (story of my life every time I tank) and so on. Yet I see players COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to how bad they perform unless you tell them a more effective rotation (having to tell Black Mages how to utilize Blizzard III & Fire III efficiently is always a fun one) because NOTHING in this game tells them "hey mate, your rotation is far from ideal, you should work on it, your damage output might make you a liability". It is only when you hit Extreme and Savage that you either realize that you haven't improved on your journey to 70 or you complain about how the content is too punishing when in actuality the content previous to that was a cakewalk.

[KaldeaSahaline]

I've been in many runs where not everyone does the same damage. Some people might have worse equip, some might be practicing a new class, some might just be having a bad day.

And just for the record, I always try to do my best when I DPS.

I asked you TWO very specific questions that you ignored. I wanted to know if you are ok with having teammates who are only active 30% of the time in a given dungeon (normal content)? I'm not talking about damage, DPS, gear, new class, or bad days. I'm saying are you OK with the concept of your teammates only being active 30% of the time?

The second question was asking if you believe in accountability. It's a simple yes or no question.

I have a third question now though. Seeing your statement that "not everyone does the same damage". How are you quantifying this? How do you know how much damage others are doing?

Please - answer these questions for the sake of the discussion.

Thank you!

Why complain about toxicity... if you are also doing it yourself.Why complain about *you pay my sub people*... if you also doing it yourself. That's a little hypocrite... I understand your frustraction, but come on.

Where in his post was him being toxic? I didn't see it. Mind citing specific examples? The ones you referenced aren't actual toxicity.

[Nixxe]

Let me view my own parses even if just as a little fluctuating number on my hud during encounters.

That's basically a parser stripped of anything that makes a parser worth using.

[Genoreaper]

I also would like to know where in this thread I said to kick people when they are Down

[Kaliesto]

I'm for a parsing system if Yoshi makes one, it will finally keep parsing data private and away from the hands of public sites.

Also Square Enix will need to start stomping out those bots that have been collecting people's data.

[Ilan]

Yes, let's created 2 echo chambers where there is zero discussion on the matter. That's really a positive push for the community.

/sarcasm off

This reply is not really needed too improve your desire for a phraser. If you want a phraser, the *community* first must improve there behavior in high level duty's. So you can convince the developers in adding a phraser wont hurt the community much.

Its true that the community has to improve their behaviour, but its not the people who do their best and even try to help people who play their classes wrong. Its the players who have this attitude that they pay a sub and can play how they want (which are also called the bad players), thats absolutly rude and shows that they don't have any respect for their teammembers. Honestly i've never seen anyone who flamed someone for low dps in savage or ex primals. Players will simply be kicked which is completly ok because you can't force someone to play with someone whose playstyle is completly different, aka. the one who wants to get carried.

[Genoreaper]

For those who dont want parsers do you follow a Roration for your dps? Where do you think that came from theory crafting is good yes but practice makes perfect. In some way or another most of us have benefited from parsers.

But really if you don't want us to know our dps as dps, let's remove health bars for healers because they should just know, and remove aggro signs for tanks because If they just play like they should it will be good enough.

The game boils down to numbers, if my job is to do the most damage possible let me see and adjust it as needed. I've avoided raiding BECAUSE I want to go in doing the best I can. I've only done some of Alexander, bahamut and VA.

If you don't want us to know let's remove all floating number and treat every encounter with the same vagueness as sea stone and sky, just focus on blindly melting health bars with no numbers during a time limit

[ShadowHunterrX]

Your solution to bad players not improving is "just get friends and / or never use Duty Finder"? Why not actually give players (that could be unintentionally bad because they have nothing to measure their rotation on) a self-parser on-demand so they can work on themselves? All I get from your post is a vibe of you conforming bad players to stay bad and better players to suck it up

My solution for bad players.... I must say how some of you lovely people are living in there own little world.

No, it's not a solution for bad players. It's just using your brain which was giving you by birth. I shall give you a easy example. Sir Reinhardt is trying to kill Moon bunny extreme and he knows the fight very well, but his luck with so called clear/farm party's in PF is very bad. So Sir Reinhardt who isnt a BAD PLAYER ask his friends who killed it for help.

Ofcourse you get that from my post. You want parsers in the game and who isnt in the same thinking field is your enemy.

I am not really your enemy. But what most of you dont understand is the different mindsets people have in this game. You, me and most of us here wants to improve, right? So a ingame tool will be great extra. I am not conforming bad players to stay bad and better players suck it up. Some bad/good players just DONT CARE and only playing the game to have fun. They will ignore the extra tools and just move on.

I am not defending these people. Myself have many exp with leechers and that will never go away. Even with all the tools we already have in PF.

These threads are very very toxic. People who dont agree are heavenly belittled, putting words in your mounth or insulted and bad players are put on the same level on trash.

Mindset here : I wanna be the very best and take this game very very very serious. OMG, this run is 5 min longer ! What a trash party, blacklist.

Mindset most people: Finally home from work and time to play my favorite game with my friends. Hmm 5 min slower then last time.... o well we did great.

[Stormfur]

If we did get such a system, I'd like it to be privately available to us. So for example, when you finish a dungeon, you can see your average DPS, DPS against the boss, etc. just so you can get an idea of your performance.