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  1. #51
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    SargentToughie's Avatar
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    Lana Arunika
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    Balmung
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    Added bonus: People who play brainless jobs like SAM where they've had their rotation since level 50 and still can't maintain it by EXR are an example of why people are removed from groups.
    Samurais that actually bother putting up Higanbana are basically about as common as a unicorn.
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    #notallraiders

  2. #52
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    Geno Reaper
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    Ultros
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    From what I've seen there are two types of people on this thread, those who want to grow as players using actual effective tools, the same tools that built the foundation for every rotation people use and claim is fine enough of just stuck to. Which wouldn't exist without pc players using parsers in the first place.

    And those who fear their numbers becoming public, the only reason someone would fear their own numbers being shown which begs the question of why? Are you one of the " you don't pay my sub, I'll play ice mage if I want" are you willingly only trying the basic rotation whIle watching netflix, the ones relying on the group to carry you through content? There is no rEason you should object to me seeing my OWN numbers.

    If you barely want to contribute, and only care about your gaming experience why are you on an mmo. Might I remind you, you don't pay my sub, you have zero right to squander my play time due to the fact you clearly dont want to play the game as intended.

    Ironically most of the toxicity has come from those crying about a parser being implemented. Those in favor have said multiple times they could care less to see your numbers, they would be happy only knowing their own.
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  3. #53
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    Geno Reaper
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Can't edit on mobile, but I meant this forum not specifically this post. I copied my post from the parser gripe thread. I really would love to see the difference gained from meteria melds which parsers would help as well.
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  4. #54
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    Sigma-Astra's Avatar
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    Soma Kagami
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    Sargatanas
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
    Samurais that actually bother putting up Higanbana are basically about as common as a unicorn.
    Sorry, that might be me. I'm terrible at the job...probably will shelf it once it's at 70, lol. I seem to enjoy playing ninja or monk more lately while I level neglected jobs to 70.
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  5. #55
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    Geno Reaper
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Can't edit on mobile, but I meant this forum not specifically this post. I copied my post from the parser gripe thread. I really would love to see the difference gained from meteria melds which parsers would help as well.
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  6. #56
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    Mivau Lawantal
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    Moogle
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Genoreaper View Post
    From what I've seen there are two types of people on this thread, those who want to grow as players using actual effective tools, the same tools that built the foundation for every rotation people use and claim is fine enough of just stuck to. Which wouldn't exist without pc players using parsers in the first place.

    And those who fear their numbers becoming public, the only reason someone would fear their own numbers being shown which begs the question of why? Are you one of the " you don't pay my sub, I'll play ice mage if I want" are you willingly only trying the basic rotation whIle watching netflix, the ones relying on the group to carry you through content? There is no rEason you should object to me seeing my OWN numbers.

    If you barely want to contribute, and only care about your gaming experience why are you on an mmo. Might I remind you, you don't pay my sub, you have zero right to squander my play time due to the fact you clearly dont want to play the game as intended.


    Ironically most of the toxicity has come from those crying about a parser being implemented. Those in favor have said multiple times they could care less to see your numbers, they would be happy only knowing their own.
    Why complain about toxicity... if you are also doing it yourself.Why complain about *you pay my sub people*... if you also doing it yourself. That's a little hypocrite... I understand your frustraction, but come on.

    Most of the arguments I read are filled just *kick other players down* ... that's toxic.

    If you dont want bad players waste your time, get friends,group up and never use DF. Bad players will never go away.... mind you. Parser wont help.

    You forgot one 1 big group of people who arent on the forums. Most people good or bad don't care about this at all. They just boot up the game and are having fun. Maybe you guys should *have fun*.
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    Last edited by ShadowHunterrX; 07-24-2018 at 04:15 PM.

  7. #57
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    Dr Yeol
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 100
    SE claims that the majority of the player base have very low skill, or not playing jobs correctly.

    Their first step was to try and bring the lower skill players up closer to the top players. They tried to this by revamping the battle system in Stromblood. Also, by making BiS less rewarding in terms of dps increase than previous expansion.

    I hope that SE adds a personal parse next for people to see their own numbers. This is a step in the right direction in order to make people aware of their performance. If there is a number, naturally most people will be trying to achieve a higher number every time "I want to score higher dps than last time"

    Most bad players/low skill players don't even know that they are under-preforming. There is no indicator in game to show them their numbers and whether they are improving or not. That is why they get shocked or go defense mode when people attack their gameplay, because in their heads, they are able to clear most duties which automatically means that they are good.
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    "BAAAAAARD!" - 2018

  8. #58
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    Geno Reaper
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    Ultros
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX View Post
    Why complain about toxicity... if you are also doing it yourself.Why complain about *you pay my sub people*... if you also doing it yourself. That's a little hypocrite... I understand your frustraction, but come on.

    Most of the arguments I read are filled just *kick other players down* ... that's toxic.

    If you dont want bad players waste your time, get friends,group up and never use DF. Bad players will never go away.... mind you. Parser wont help.

    You forgot one 1 big group of people who arent on the forums. Most people good or bad don't care about this at all. They just boot up the game and are having fun. Maybe you guys should *have fun*.
    First off it was a general question if you ARE playing your role correctly what do you have to fear.

    As for the "pay my sub" line I was being sarcastic and pointing out the Fallacy of that argument, during Solo content you're more than welcome to play as you want. But while in multiplayer content there are certain fair expectatons to be held and you don't get to infringe on 3-7 other people's time because you want to do the minimum, grab a group and do it that way if you desire, most pugs have the same ideal as a premade, to complete the duty as easily as Possible with everyone who qued for a dungeon, to be part of that dungeon and contribute to their fullest
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  9. #59
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    Shinobu Yomi
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    Shiva
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    Black Mage Lv 88
    As a PS4 player, I have been wishing for this for a long term. Especially because I will switch to BLM for the next raid tier.
    Seriously, there is no harm in seeing your own numbers, isn't it?
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    Last edited by supaiku; 07-24-2018 at 05:39 PM.

  10. #60
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    Dr Yeol
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by supaiku View Post
    Seriously, there is no harm in seeing your own numbers, isn't it?
    If someone wants to improve, they will benefit from seeing their own numbers.
    If they don't want to improve, they can completely ignore that number.

    No harm done.
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