Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Vstarstruck]

I'm all for spicy bantz but imo you're going a little too far here. People have different skill levels and objectively a tank in their tank stance is easier to heal because they either have increased passive mitigation or increased healing recieved. Just because someone has had some bad experience with what was likely some bad tanks who didn't properly rotate CDs doesn't mean you need to swear at them and treat them like crap.



Ultimately what is reaching more people - a quote from Yoshi from I believe 2015 or dialog in the game specifically targetted at every new player who starts the game as a healer? Also you can look at what is most current. The quote you're talking about is years old where as things like the Hall of the Novice and even the squadron healer's AI are much more recent.

Everything we currently have access to points to the idea that healers should dps when they have downtime.

Agreed, tanks can be very hard to heal if they mess up and do the tanking in dps stance wrong, and it can be complied on having things take to long from bad dps. I really hope the tanks reading this consider everything happening in their random pug on how often you dps stance as a tank. Just don't single mind one way every run.

[KaivaC]

Agreed, tanks can be very hard to heal if they mess up and do the tanking in dps stance wrong, and it can be complied on having things take to long from bad dps. I really hope the tanks reading this consider everything happening in their random pug on how often you dps stance as a tank. Just don't single mind one way every run.

Hopefully that would be the case. Too many folks are popping in here with extreme examples and lack of grammar or punctuation, sadly. Obviously every PUG run is a case by case scenario, and everybody should adjust to the party just to ensure that the run is completed as smoothly as possible, within reason, of course. I'd love to expand on some more posts, but I'm gonna have to observe for the time being. Seems some of my posts were reported (i.e. deleted), so picking my arguments a bit more carefully now.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

While I am in agreement with almost everything you've said in this thread... Two things:

1. How is WoW any more focused on raiding than XIV is? Both have about the same amount of side-content, the only real difference being that apart from "pet battles" (analogous to our TT more than our LotV), the side content still uses the same main gameplay systems. If anything, there tends to be more actually useful things one can do (e.g. to improve their character) outside of raiding in WoW than XIV... PvP also sees hugely more focus there, and yet I've never seen any WoW PvPer somehow consider Battlegrounds, PvP Raids, Brawls, or Arenas as part of "raiding".

Having never played WoW, I can only relay what I know off-handedly about it. From my understanding, it revolves more heavily around raiding and battle content as a whole compared to FFXIV, which tries to better emphasise a generalist focus through crafting, story and etc. For those reasons, you see people more competitive in WoW than FFXIV, which is why I suspect parsers would be far less an issue. Of course, do correct me if I'm wrong about WoW.

2. Why should parsers be uniquely saddled with a moderation check when the harassment is merely changing mediums, rather than being newly produced? That's like saying these newfangled Blu-Rays should be uniquely checked for pirating just because they're a distinct medium from DVDs... It's simply harassment. If whether the claims made are actually evidenced by fact or not matters, then it's not yet harassment, but merely criticism. Until people are going out of their way to harass someone, to demean their reputation, or are putting someone down without any reasonable potential to incite improvement, we're not yet at harassment. And once they are doing those things, the source is utterly irrelevant.

I mean, GMs would have to be on top of their game when it comes to reports. They... aren't exactly known for speedy responses, though my own dealings with them have been pleasant. It's not that parse abuse should be viewed any differently than general harassment, just that they need to be on top of both to prevent the abuse we hear so much about in WoW. That all said, I ultimately agree poor performance abuse would decrease substantially once it got over the initial grace period. Give it a month or so and there'd be more complaints about parse abuse than general abuse overall. The idea parsers suddenly turn decent people into pompous jerks is another boogeyman people keeping try to create.

Next: emnity management. Primary that's job of a tank. That means tank is expected to hold agro at all times and if he fails at that - that's his problem first and foremost. You understand? People expects tank to tank. And agro management skills for other jobs? Well, if we're talking about job unique actions like DRG elusive jump or NIN shadewalker and smoke screen then aye, if you have them - feel free to use them if situation requires. But if we're talking about role actions - they're optional. That means, if I don't want - i don't have to take it. Casual playstyle is not necessary about optimality and efficiency, but about fun above all else.

This also means I'm not required to save you because you elected not to take a skill, but decide instead, to thrust all the responsibility onto me because you were lazy. I am not going to spend an entire fight rotating tank stance because Mr. Samurai decided not to press Diversion. Not only is that forcing me to entirely change my playstyle, the raid actually loses damage even if said Samurai doesn't die. Role skills are not optional. If you want to meme around taking Crutch over Diversion, I'll meme back by using you as a cooldown.

[AriaFairchild]

This also means if I'm not required to save you because you elected not to take a skill, but decide instead, to thrust all the responsibility onto me because you were lazy. I am not going to spend an entire fight rotate tank stance because Mr. Samurai decided not to press DPS. Not only is that forcing me to entirely change my playstyle, the raid actually loses damage even if said Samurai doesn't die. Role skills are not optional. If you want to meme around taking Crutch over Diversion, I'll meme back by using you as a cooldown.

Nothing dumps enmity better than death yo!

[Nixxe]

This also means I'm not required to save you because you elected not to take a skill, but decide instead, to thrust all the responsibility onto me because you were lazy. I am not going to spend an entire fight rotating tank stance because Mr. Samurai decided not to press Diversion. Not only is that forcing me to entirely change my playstyle, the raid actually loses damage even if said Samurai doesn't die. Role skills are not optional. If you want to meme around taking Crutch over Diversion, I'll meme back by using you as a cooldown.

Deliberately sabotaging the raid to get back at a player not doing precisely what you want seems quite a bit worse than some random in casual content not having the proper set of role abilities. If you're upset about the lost damage from having tank stance, how is costing the raid even more DPS by letting a DPS die, especially repeatedly, going to improve that?

[SargentToughie]

Deliberately sabotaging the raid to get back at a player not doing precisely what you want seems quite a bit worse than some random in casual content not having the proper set of role abilities. If you're upset about the lost damage from having tank stance, how is costing the raid even more DPS by letting a DPS die, especially repeatedly, going to improve that?

There's a difference between somebody not knowing any better, and somebody deliberately being too obtuse to not push a single ogcd because "it's not my job".

The former can be instructed, the latter needs to get taught a lesson.

[Ultima]

Deliberately sabotaging the raid to get back at a player not doing precisely what you want seems quite a bit worse than some random in casual content not having the proper set of role abilities. If you're upset about the lost damage from having tank stance, how is costing the raid even more DPS by letting a DPS die, especially repeatedly, going to improve that?

Let's see what is harder for a second here, matey.

A DPS hits an oGCD (Diversion/Tactician/Refresh/Lucid Dreaming)

OR

A tank has to spend a GCD (PLD and DRK) / WAR has to remanage their gauge and buff to deal with needing more enmity.

Stop being lazy and use the magic anti-enmity button.

[Nixxe]

Let's see what is harder for a second here, matey.

A DPS hits an oGCD (Diversion/Tactician/Refresh/Lucid Dreaming)

OR

A tank has to spend a GCD (PLD and DRK) / WAR has to remanage their gauge and buff to deal with needing more enmity.

Stop being lazy and use the magic anti-enmity button.

I take Diversion, but that's not really the point, neither is which is harder. Rather, once you find yourself in whatever situation, it is incumbent upon each member of the party to do what they can to help ensure a successful run. Yes, it would be nice if we lived in a perfect world where we were all devoted and capable adherents to the meta, but MMOs attract a diverse group of players with varying priorities and outlooks and one of the most important lessons players need to learn is that you don't always get your way. If it's your static or party finder group, where you can tightly control membership, by all means be exclusive, but if you're trying to punish players for not being meta in random groups in duty finder, you and your attitude are the problem.

[MoroMurasaki]

Stop being lazy and use the magic anti-enmity button.

Nothing has made me appreciate enmity control more than healing o8s as a WHM.

Dps have a button that literally says "this will not be a problem now" and if they choose not to use it they should enjoy their dirt naps.

[Ultima]

I take Diversion, but that's not really the point, neither is which is harder. Rather, once you find yourself in whatever situation, it is incumbent upon each member of the party to do what they can to help ensure a successful run. Yes, it would be nice if we lived in a perfect world where we were all devoted and capable adherents to the meta, but MMOs attract a diverse group of players with varying priorities and outlooks and one of the most important lessons players need to learn is that you don't always get your way. If it's your static or party finder group, where you can tightly control membership, by all means be exclusive, but if you're trying to punish players for not being meta in random groups in duty finder, you and your attitude are the problem.

So, you're going to die on the hill of "I'm going to take Crutch over Diversion?" Too bad, 4.4 is going to give us all role actions regardless of our "meta". I didn't realize not getting hit in the face by a big monster while you were DPSing was something only people who were meta wanted, thank you for your insight into the matter. But, there is significantly more difficulty in having the tank swap back over to tank stance - it isn't fun, it's clunky, it's disruptive, and managing it via a DPS actually using Diversion is probably the easiest thing you can do to make the run easier.

From what I learned, we're not allowed to ask for a standard of DPS, usage of role actions, and... anyone else keeping track? I lost it.

Bad behavior must be punished and the offender must be educated or removed, we don't tolerate trolling.