Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[24spencer]

Not really, healers need to be able to complete the solo battle content. That's the root reason why they have those spells, since SE claims over and over they don't design content with healer DPS in mind. Just a little side note to that. (I'm not saying healers shouldn't DPS please don't turn this into one of those threads)

I'm pretty sure that "content isnt designed with healer dps in mind" is from yoshi talking about how alexander normal mode was designed around healers not dpsing and now people just attribute that quote to all content when that is extremely unlikely to be the case with savage.

[Elamys]

I don't know if you mean single target or AoE that they were stomping them, but AST can do a ridiculous amount of AoE DPS now. Put up Lightspeed, extend it, and start spamming Gravity - you'll out DPS everyone except DPS with actually good AoE. Even single target AST is nothing to sneeze at anymore since we don't have to clip the GCD. I run a parser once in a while to monitor myself and I was shocked at my numbers (this was also in Swallows).

Though single target an AST still shouldn't be able to handily best a SMN, so...sounds like you were partied with me. #WorstSMNNA

I'm pretty sure that "content isnt designed with healer dps in mind" is from yoshi talking about how alexander normal mode was designed around healers not dpsing and now people just attribute that quote to all content when that is extremely unlikely to be the case with savage.

This had been stated in interviews leading up to Stormblood, so unless they're being shady behind the scenes is supposedly still the case.

[Sigma-Astra]

I don't know if you mean single target or AoE that they were stomping them, but AST can do a ridiculous amount of AoE DPS now. Put up Lightspeed, extend it, and start spamming Gravity - you'll out DPS everyone except DPS with actually good AoE. Even single target AST is nothing to sneeze at anymore since we don't have to clip the GCD. I run a parser once in a while to monitor myself and I was shocked at my numbers (this was also in Swallows).

Though single target an AST still shouldn't be able to handily best a SMN, so...sounds like you were partied with me. #WorstSMNNA

It was all around with single target and AOE. Now, the AST wasn't coming close at all towards my numbers because my BLM is a little OP'ed for expert dungeons now, but that AST was beating the SMN on trash pulls and the bosses in terms of DPS. I was wondering what on earth were they doing with Bahamut the whole time, lol. I was doing around 6,000ish, AST was doing around 3,000ish, SMN was only doing 2,000. And I tend not to worry TOO MUCH on tank DPS in expert unless the tank is staying in DPS stance and losing aggro over and over again towards me, then that's a problem, lol.

[Vstarstruck]

YES.

Looking back at Gordias, it doesn't seem too bad since now we have Ultimate. Which by the way is on demand from top players who now understand the game much better than they did before.

The mentality of optimizing and keeping up-time is more common now than in the past. Some are moving forward and getting better at the game.



Raider are the ones that give most to the community. They try to understand game mechanics and share it with the rest of us. Find the best openers/rotations and write guides about them. Also, they are willing to answer questions.

No one is asking you to play like top players. They just want you to know the basics and preform at an average level. What you see in DF/PF is way below average my friend.

Another post agreeing to this statement. Also I do not see fumofu replying to the idea of "No one is asking you to play like top players. They just want you to know the basics and preform at an average level. What you see in DF/PF is way below average my friend."

But if we're talking about role actions - they're optional. That means, if I don't want - i don't have to take it. Casual playstyle is not necessary about optimality and efficiency, but about fun above all else.

No they are NOT OPTIONAL! role actions are an illusion of chose and badly designed. Please do not use poorly made systems to support bad play. A DPS should be using enmity suppression skills to help out high differences in ilevels for random experts, and even with top end gear, you can use suppression to allow the tank to dps more to get it done quicker. Saying they are optional would be no different then telling a healer it is optional to heal people.

Your thoughts about enmity tho are something I do not share and I think they are wrong even in casual content. You may have fun in your playstyle, but I as being your tank wont have fun. That's where I would either try vote kicking you bc of "difference in playstyle" or if that fails I would just leave the duty. You are just not the kind of person I want to play with in the end so I feel free to use the tools given by SE to either remove you or myself from the party. ^^

I would too and have done so in the past.

It was all around with single target and AOE. Now, the AST wasn't coming close at all towards my numbers because my BLM is a little OP'ed for expert dungeons now, but that AST was beating the SMN on trash pulls and the bosses in terms of DPS. I was wondering what on earth were they doing with Bahamut the whole time, lol. I was doing around 6,000ish, AST was doing around 3,000ish, SMN was only doing 2,000. And I tend not to worry TOO MUCH on tank DPS in expert unless the tank is staying in DPS stance and losing aggro over and over again towards me, then that's a problem, lol.

2000 coming from a SMN in aoe situations? what they where doing was having a nonexistant APM, and not using aetherflow properly.

actually it doesn't matter, 2000 DPS was gimp levels from a single target boss from a SMN in i250 gear in hw, and SMN aoe could be in the 5k-8k then

[Sigma-Astra]

Another post agreeing to this statement. Also I do not see fumofu replying to the idea of "No one is asking you to play like top players. They just want you to know the basics and preform at an average level. What you see in DF/PF is way below average my friend."



No they are NOT OPTIONAL! role actions are an illusion of chose and badly designed. Please do not use poorly made systems to support bad play. A DPS should be using enmity suppression skills to help out high differences in ilevels for random experts, and even with top end gear, you can use suppression to allow the tank to dps more to get it done quicker. Saying they are optional would be no different then telling a healer it is optional to heal people.

I would too and have done so in the past.



2000 coming from a SMN in aoe situations? what they where doing was having a nonexistant APM, and not using aetherflow properly.

actually it doesn't matter, 2000 DPS was gimp levels from a single target boss from a SMN in i250 gear in hw, and SMN aoe could be in the 5k-8k then

Who honestly knows what on earth was going on with them, they could have been AFKing and watching netflix at the same time which I tend to see a lot in casual content...players caring enough to queue for a dungeon to get their rewards, but not caring enough to actually pay attention and try to be competent at their own jobs.

The run had no deaths and was relatively smooth, but I still felt like the AST and I were doing all of the work in killing stuff down fast enough (especially myself). It's just a sad thing to come across, I'm putting in 100% of my effort in content and you get people doing barely 30% to 50% sometimes. It makes me want to stop trying so hard, but at the same time, I can't do that. I like doing a good job, lol.

[Vrankyl]

Not really, healers need to be able to complete the solo battle content. That's the root reason why they have those spells, since SE claims over and over they don't design content with healer DPS in mind. Just a little side note to that. (I'm not saying healers shouldn't DPS please don't turn this into one of those threads)

That is actually not entirely true. When Hall of the Novice was added it specifically states that healers should be throwing out damage spells when no one is in need of healing. So the game and the developers themselves say healers should be doing that in all group content.

[Vstarstruck]

Who honestly knows what on earth was going on with them, they could have been AFKing and watching netflix at the same time which I tend to see a lot in casual content...players caring enough to queue for a dungeon to get their rewards, but not caring enough to actually pay attention and try to be competent at their own jobs.

The run had no deaths and was relatively smooth, but I still felt like the AST and I were doing all of the work in killing stuff down fast enough (especially myself). It's just a sad thing to come across, I'm putting in 100% of my effort in content and you get people doing barely 30% to 50% sometimes. It makes me want to stop trying so hard, but at the same time, I can't do that. I like doing a good job, lol.

That low dps is observable without parses. If they where not keeping up dots, or using bane or something basic of the like I would of said something. If they did the "you do not pay for my sub" nonsense, then comes their vote dismiss. I have no tolerance giving my 100% and have the other not do basic things and have a APM so low it looks like they are frequently afking.

[Sir_Johni]

Wow the backsit raiders that come out of their holes here fucking amaze me, healing a tank with DPS stance is stressful?

Like what are you fucking smoking? can I have some of that because it appears to be the good shit if you can be so delusional

No, the tanks that are easier to heal are generally the better tanks since they use their tools correctly and mitigate the correct damage

And as for my experience I have both tanked and healed savage, healers are much too powerful in this game to not DPS as both tanks and healers and it makes enrage much less of an issue, I simply can't imagine the static that I had cleared Godka with clearing in the week that we cleared in if I didn't DPS as much as I can

[Elamys]

That is actually not entirely true. When Hall of the Novice was added it specifically states that healers should be throwing out damage spells when no one is in need of healing. So the game and the developers themselves say healers should be doing that in all group content.

I mean I'm just going off of what Yoshida specifically said in interviews. If you give me some time, I can dig out specific links and quotes. I just don't take a throwaway dialogue line in Hall of the Novice as indicative of their overall design goals for the game, especially since HoN also instructs you to use AoE healing spells when you shouldn't in any actual dungeon situation.

However it doesn't really matter in the end. Healing in this game is boring. Healers DPS because there is nothing else to do, not because they have to. So until that gets changed to actually reflect what they said they want, I am going to keep DPSing in my downtime.

[MoroMurasaki]

Wow the backsit raiders that come out of their holes here fucking amaze me, healing a tank with DPS stance is stressful?

Like what are you fucking smoking? can I have some of that because it appears to be the good shit if you can be so delusional

I'm all for spicy bantz but imo you're going a little too far here. People have different skill levels and objectively a tank in their tank stance is easier to heal because they either have increased passive mitigation or increased healing recieved. Just because someone has had some bad experience with what was likely some bad tanks who didn't properly rotate CDs doesn't mean you need to swear at them and treat them like crap.

I mean I'm just going off of what Yoshida specifically said in interviews. If you give me some time, I can dig out specific links and quotes. I just don't take a throwaway dialogue line in Hall of the Novice as indicative of their overall design goals for the game, especially since HoN also instructs you to use AoE healing spells when you shouldn't in any actual dungeon situation.

Ultimately what is reaching more people - a quote from Yoshi from I believe 2015 or dialog in the game specifically targetted at every new player who starts the game as a healer? Also you can look at what is most current. The quote you're talking about is years old where as things like the Hall of the Novice and even the squadron healer's AI are much more recent.

Everything we currently have access to points to the idea that healers should dps when they have downtime.