Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Lunafreya]

I find it funny that people seem to think if SE added an ingame parser or even just lifted the weird semi-ban on ACT that they would also be greenlighting harrassment.

Those are two different things. The only difference from the perspective of someone reporting harrassment is that they would actually have to be harrassed in order to complain. Right now if I get an incompetent player in PF I have to silently kick them or lie about 'reforming' where as with talk of parsers opened up I could say something like "Hey, you've got some clear holes in your rotation since you're sitting significantly below average despite your ilvl. Check out a guide and maybe hit the dummy for a bit, thanks for coming though."

Neither of those things is harrassment but right now one of them (the one that helps the underperformer less to boot) is okay while the other (more helpful) one would get me a visit from a GM.

Actually, letting parsing be a thing in the game would lead to too much harassment which is why it will never ever happen. Yoshi P was clear on this many times. Parsing by definition will make this game entirely worse of a community and while I dont oppose parsing like I said in my previous post, it would lead to very unpleasant PUGS. So, regardless of what is reported as harassment, if it has anything to do with parses it would be harassment.

[Shurrikhan]

Actually, letting parsing be a thing in the game would lead to too much harassment which is why it will never ever happen.

What proof, statistical or even syllogistic, do you have for that?

Parsing by definition will make this game entirely worse of a community and while I dont oppose parsing like I said in my previous post, it would lead to very unpleasant PUGS.

Parsing, by definition, is the deconstruction and summary of component elements, allowing more for intuitive and comprehensive understanding of what one has on hand or has observed. No part of that definition includes the worsening of communities. No part of any part of that definition even implies a risk of increased conflict (e.g. within a community). So just what basis are you following to arrive at that conclusion?

So, regardless of what is reported as harassment, if it has anything to do with parses it would be harassment.

You realize how nonsensical that is, right? By your definition, a player alleged to have a parser commenting on your glamour would be harassment, let alone someone offering helpful advice that you feel might have been more accurately tailored to your situation because s/he had a parser. "Guy continued the dungeon after I, the NIN, said 'brb'. May have had a parser. Please ban." Extreme examples or not, those are solidly within the extents of what you've proposed.

[SargentToughie]

Yoshi P was clear on this many times.

No he wasn't.

To the best of my knowledge, actually, the most he's said on the matter was back in Heavensward when he basically said something along the lines of "Maybe we'll consider it when the disparity between a good/bad DPS player has equalized somewhat."

[24spencer]

Actually, letting parsing be a thing in the game would lead to too much harassment which is why it will never ever happen. Yoshi P was clear on this many times. Parsing by definition will make this game entirely worse of a community and while I dont oppose parsing like I said in my previous post, it would lead to very unpleasant PUGS. So, regardless of what is reported as harassment, if it has anything to do with parses it would be harassment.

this is just... not true. ACT is not some kind of gateway drug to verbally abusing people in /p. harassment over parses is, surprisingly enough, still harassment, which is still emphatically against the terms of service. More player accountability is hardly a bad thing, especially with the track record of this community, and frankly i can think of several (casual) people who would love literally any objective feedback about whether they are even playing properly. The vast majority of actually unpleasant people I've encountered in-game are exactly the kind of people who feel personally wounded that you don't think it's appropriate of them to AFK for most of the dungeon, and who take to the forums to repeatedly make threads like this one.

[Jijifli]

Actually, letting parsing be a thing in the game would lead to too much harassment which is why it will never ever happen.

I'm on WoW and FFXIV now.

On WoW parsing is legal, and the company even balances the game knowing people will be dps checking it, which makes them do better. Never harrassed for dps.

Meanwhile on FFXIV I get harassed for rolling greed on items in HW content. You don't need a parser to harass someone. And if it's going to increase the toxic behavior, why isn't that the case for me in WoW? I do run Skada on wow, and I'm horrible in dps over there. Just terrible. Like, why am I playing a mage kind of terrible. Yet nobody cared because it's not like I'm in their raid.

Wait that sounds familiar. Almost like we just need it for raids.

[Vstarstruck]

I'm on WoW and FFXIV now.

On WoW parsing is legal, and the company even balances the game knowing people will be dps checking it, which makes them do better. Never harrassed for dps.

Meanwhile on FFXIV I get harassed for rolling greed on items in HW content. You don't need a parser to harass someone. And if it's going to increase the toxic behavior, why isn't that the case for me in WoW? I do run Skada on wow, and I'm horrible in dps over there. Just terrible. Like, why am I playing a mage kind of terrible. Yet nobody cared because it's not like I'm in their raid.

Wait that sounds familiar. Almost like we just need it for raids.

You are right, there is befits to it, as it allows give development feedback, but do not think for a second there is never parser harassment. I personally seen someone removed because their HPS was not up to their standard, and this was back when mistweaver was known to have lower HPS.

I would like parsers too, but SE always plays it safe. The day they allow public parser is the same day I expect PvP chat to be restored, and reversal on the MSQ forced CS change. So where is the line where the development team should not be crossing when it comes to micromanagement changes to a game?

If they think something is costing too many subs, that is when they take action. SE most likely thinks allowing parses has more a negative effect on the number of subs compared to the benefits.

[Jijifli]

You are right, there is befits to it, as it allows give development feedback, but do not think for a second there is never parser harassment. I personally seen someone removed because their HPS was not up to their standard, and this was back when mistweaver was known to have lower HPS.

Oh there is. I'm not going to pretend it doesn't exist.

But it's not rampant like the doomsayers claim it will be if it's allowed. WoW does allow it, and it's not nearly as common as people think it'll be if it's allowed here.

[Vnolan]

450+ posts in a thread about parsing? I'm sure there will be polite discourse...

Indeed. It forces discrimination against people who don't want to learn their job and expect others to pick up the slack for them. It forces people to accept that the jobs in this game are meant to be played a certain way that doesn't line up with their personal vision of how things should be. This kind of discrimination is totally fine with me.

Literally the second response, lol.

[Hakuro89]

Oh my god, is this still going? Rather, is the OP still spewing nonsense or is there legitimate discussion going on now?

No he wasn't.

To the best of my knowledge, actually, the most he's said on the matter was back in Heavensward when he basically said something along the lines of "Maybe we'll consider it when the disparity between a good/bad DPS player has equalized somewhat."

Was this before or after they release that next-to-useless Stone Sky Sea thing?

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Here's the way I see it.

Parses are a good thing because they help you see how much damage you are doing and compare it to how much damage other people with the same class are doing. Are you doing low damage compared to others? Then you have room for improvement and that's fine. Are you doing high damage compared to others? Then you have a solid grasp of the job and that's fine.

Now, if you have someone who is reeing about green or blue parses and refusing to accept people into the party based on blind elitism, then that's when the system fails. But chances are that you wouldn't want to party with someone like that anyway, so that gives you an easy way to avoid that kind of person. The fault here lies with the people who misuse the tool, not the tool itself.