Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[KaivaC]

That means no dps checks and no enrages. when DPS can wipe the run,

None of them really are dps checks of any stature, where bad dps wipes it. You need afk dps to wipe on all of those. Those are all phase changes for variety's sake honestly, with the way the game has been for 3 years. Even with the harder HW rotations, no one really wipes on the vault's orb phase, or tioman's wings from low dps. I feel they are built assuming people are learning their jobs, not expected to know them. All it takes is a limit break if people struggle.

Last I checked, afk dps is still low dps. And yes, low dps still happens. I finished up the Aetherochemical Facility for the first time as a tank earlier. The fight against both the final bosses took no less than 10 minutes, with a wipe on the last one because the healer ran out of MP having to do so much healing, even with using Lucid twice. The DPS was that bad in my run, and yes, DPS has been bad here and there. A for effort though in trying to weave out of that question.

Also...I know you are talking to Cass but...

Everyone complains, not everyone does it openly. They do it in FC, or on forum threads, or in discord, or link.

Love how you are just painting a picture here. We're being player profiled, everyone!

Um, I would strongly advise against giving TMP any of your ad money for the foreseeable future. Some really skeezy things happened with the upper management, and there's no telling who profits from your clicks.

Look up other community guides. The ones on TMP are great, but there's a ton out there that will relay the same information.

Not to open that can of worms here, but I am very much aware of what happened over that situation, believe me. Still, guides are guides and if they are sound, I'm not going to avoid them because of an editor-in-chief.

[RiyahArp]

Bad dps can 100% wipe you on dps checks in dungeons. Last boss in Vault was a prime example.

The DPS check on the Vault is the orb phase. I have never seen a wipe on that phase period, even at HW launch. Even when I was new and the expansion was new. It isn't balanced like a dps check, assuming you need to do a high level of damage to clear it. There are plenty of them; byakko's tiger, the wall in hells lid, etc. A lot of the casual failures in phase transitions are not dps, but mechanics; susano wipes happen more because tanks don't pick up orbs. A dps check has to be something where you can loose it purely through dps.

See: the Tear in the Chrysalis fight, or Steps of Faith.

You can easily dps the tear down with no limit break in Chrysalis. You only fail usually because the tanks don't know to stand under the meteors, not because the tear's dps is a challenge. Steps had nothing to do with individual dps at its hardest, but needing to use the gimmicks in the fight more or less perfectly.

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Last I checked, afk dps is still low dps. And yes, low dps still happens. I finished up the Aetherochemical Facility for the first time as a tank earlier. The fight against both the final bosses took no less than 10 minutes, with a wipe on the last one because the healer ran out of MP having to do so much healing, even with using Lucid twice. The DPS was that bad in my run, and yes, DPS has been bad here and there.

That's not a DPS check. That could happen in any fight, and it's not even guaranteed the healer would run out of MP. Usually raises and direct dps spells are the biggest drains. And a tank actually in tank stance can mitigate ridiculous damage in those fights.

Love how you are just painting a picture here. We're being player profiled, everyone!

We have a how many page thread about DF woes? Reddit has weekly rage threads on friday. How many threads and ink has been used about the woes of trying to get a decent farm party? I mean come on

[Ultima]

[QUOTE=RiyahArp;4732004]The DPS check on the Vault is the orb phase. I have never seen a wipe on that phase period, even at HW launch. Even when I was new and the expansion was new. It isn't balanced like a dps check, assuming you need to do a high level of damage to clear it. There are plenty of them; byakko's tiger, the wall in hells lid, etc. A lot of the casual failures in phase transitions are not dps, but mechanics; susano wipes happen more because tanks don't pick up orbs. A dps check has to be something where you can loose it purely through dps.



You can easily dps the tear down with no limit break in Chrysalis. You only fail usually because the tanks don't know to stand under the meteors, not because the tear's dps is a challenge. Steps had nothing to do with individual dps at its hardest, but needing to use the gimmicks in the fight more or less perfectly.

That's not a DPS check. That could happen in any fight, and it's not even guaranteed the healer would run out of MP. Usually raises and direct dps spells are the biggest drains. And a tank actually in tank stance can mitigate ridiculous damage in those fights.



We have a how many page thread about DF woes? Reddit has weekly rage threads on friday. How many threads and ink has been used about the woes of trying to get a decent farm party? I mean come on

Technically failing to kill the boss before the healer runs out of mana is a classic DPS check, because that means you really suck at the game if a healer managed to run out of mana in this casual game. The more DPS you have, the less likely you are to encounter these scenarios where the healer is running out of mana. Just the same, you do lose mana through people dying and that's another reason they have to git gud but with the fight going faster via DPS there are less chances to die.

The tear can be DPSed down without the limit break, but most people are terrible at this game and will let the big meteor impact or the small meteors will overwhelm the tanks because the tear should've been dead already and the Healers have abandoned healing to try and push the tear as the big boy is about to slam into the arena. That is a DPS check, you can't weasel your way out of that. Individual DPS contributes to raid DPS and you didn't need to do Steps of Faith perfectly either, people just were awful at the game.

There are plenty of actual DPS checks as you put it, like Zenos' Sword phase will kill you if not all the swords are DPS'd down and people can be that bad, there are people who pull less than 3k DPS at i360+! I consider anything a DPS check if the result of it not being completed is severe damage, a debuff, a death, or a wipe. Nidhogg's Price that floats a DPS or Healer and instant kills them if they don't get freed is a DPS check in the hardest sense of the word. The same happens in Baelsar's Wall with the Griffin and his restraining collar.

Do note: Just because you can EASILY do something doesn't mean this community hasn't found a way to screw it up, people have wiped MSQ duties and leveling Job Quests because of poor DPS. There are people who still fail Titan's heart and that's mandatory content to clear the story!

[KaivaC]

That's not a DPS check. That could happen in any fight, and it's not even guaranteed the healer would run out of MP. Usually raises and direct dps spells are the biggest drains. And a tank actually in tank stance can mitigate ridiculous damage in those fights.

Man...all this weaving around, you could take on the greatest boxers in the world. Just add a couple of jabs, a straight hook, then POW! Right in the kisser.

You said terrible dps won't wipe a run. But it does - dragging on a fight long enough is going to drain the healer of their MP. Tanks are not immortal. They take enough damage with a healer who is out of MP and cannot use an oGCD is going to eventually die. Of course the devs didn't develop casual content assuming that parses would be used - however, the dungeons that I named earlier? Those have soft/hard enrages on their own that you will not beat if DPS is too low. Just because YOU haven't experienced it does not mean that it doesn't happen. You know what is funny when seeing what you write? I noticed a bit of a pattern with you. If something doesn't happen to you, it either doesn't happen often, or people talking about it are supposedly blowing it out of proportion. When something happens to raiders, it's because we 'deserved' it happening to us because we have a raider mentality, or that we did it to ourselves because we, somehow in your mind, expect the player base to play on a Savage level.

It's actually rather ironic...some things, you claim are just too easy. Wouldn't it be hypocritical to try to turn that against the raiders who find a lot of casual content easy?

We have a how many page thread about DF woes? Reddit has weekly rage threads on friday. How many threads and ink has been used about the woes of trying to get a decent farm party? I mean come on

Don't play cute, we both know that your statement was originally directed towards mostly raiders.

[MaloraYuki]

The DPS check on the Vault is the orb phase. I have never seen a wipe on that phase period, even at HW launch.

Yeah at Hw launch I saw a lot of people fail that check, the orb phase is still a dps check and yes it equaled in a wipe from failing that check alone. Low dps does equal wipes. Just as much as bad healing and bad tanking. If you are a low dps you aren’t doing your job or pulling your weight and it can in fact be your fault your group wipes.

You must be one of those people that always blames the tank and healer even when it’s the dps not doing their jobs right.

[LadyKairi]

The DPS check on the Vault is the orb phase. I have never seen a wipe on that phase period, even at HW launch. Even when I was new and the expansion was new. It isn't balanced like a dps check, assuming you need to do a high level of damage to clear it. There are plenty of them; byakko's tiger, the wall in hells lid, etc. A lot of the casual failures in phase transitions are not dps, but mechanics; susano wipes happen more because tanks don't pick up orbs. A dps check has to be something where you can loose it purely through dps.

Oh I remember when I was that ignorant... That is until it happened to me. I didn’t think it could happen either, but oh boy it can happen. And in regards to the chrysalis, I have seen MANY MANY MANY groups wipe because they didn’t kill the tear in time. Just because you haven’t seen wipes happen here, does not mean they don’t happen. I’ve experienced it, just like others have.

[MaloraYuki]

Oh I remember when I was that ignorant... That is until it happened to me. I didn’t think it could happen either, but oh boy it can happen. And in regards to the chrysalis, I have seen MANY MANY MANY groups wipe because they didn’t kill the tear in time. Just because you haven’t seen wipes happen here, does not mean they don’t happen. I’ve experienced it, just like others have.

Or add phase on nidd in aery. Another prime example you don’t kill them intime and get the shield up you die.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Everyone complains, not everyone does it openly. They do it in FC, or on forum threads, or in discord, or link. It's not because people are good that it isn't worse, its that most people can achieve what they want quickly enough that it never needs to go past that. If we ever saw a difficulty spike that blocked people from content a lot more, we'd get the Feast in PvE, in other words. (the block was matchmaking and the huge curve to heal it, imo)

And? If complaints are kept among themselves, it's entirely irrelevant to the parse discussion. Regardless, I think content can become more difficult than utterly brain dead. Unless you think it good design to have content so trivial in its difficulty, one of the healers is objectively useless. In Sigma Normal, there is simply no need to have two healers because the damage simply isn't remotely threatening. Likewise, Swallow's Compass is so laughable, I legitimately didn't use anything except Regen and Assize to keep the tank alive in a more recent pull. Neither they nor I had many i370 pieces, and he pulled everything. That damage was simply that inconsequential.

Once again, I think we can move above utterly brain dead without going into Savage tier dungeon levels.

[SargentToughie]

And? If complaints are kept among themselves, it's entirely irrelevant to the parse discussion. Regardless, I think content can become more difficult than utterly brain dead. Unless you think it good design to have content so trivial in its difficulty, one of the healers is objectively useless. In Sigma Normal, there is simply no need to have two healers because the damage simply isn't remotely threatening. Likewise, Swallow's Compass is so laughable, I legitimately didn't use anything except Regen and Assize to keep the tank alive in a more recent pull. Neither they nor I had many i370 pieces, and he pulled everything. That damage was simply that inconsequential.

Once again, I think we can move above utterly brain dead without going into Savage tier dungeon levels.

I healed Swallow's Compass as a Paladin.

Yeah that dungeon's a joke.

[TalonIsBirdy]

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