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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    Which would result in a situation very similar to WAR's IR Steel Cyclone spam. If precedence for something that powerful already exists, then why would this instance be crossing the line, seeing as how it has already been crossed?
    Abyssal Drain spam is stronger and more spammable than Steel cyclone spam; unless it's being boosted by IR.

    and IR is limited to 90 second time frames while blood weapon is only limited to 40 second ones and lasts longer than IR does; every 2nd of which could be extended by Delirium. You'd essentially give DRK a near-hallowed ground on every single multi-pull in level 60+ dungeons in the game, whereas WAR still has to choose which packs to use IR on due to its recast timer, on top of not being able to use it against bosses while DRK's single target rotation against bosses would be near-unaffected.

    That's also before taking into account that the DRK would be getting full damage from their abilities, while that same IR used to self sustain <could> have been used to 5x decimate instead.

    IR may be extremely powerful; but it has its own disadvantages. A theoretical Abyssal drained boosted blood weapon would crush IR out the window on self-sustain; no need to make something epically overpowered in response to one thing being super strong.
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    Last edited by Daeriion_Aeradiir; 07-20-2018 at 02:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum View Post
    Well supposedly DRK is (don’t quote me on this) getting reworked in 6 months. (Expansion most likely) I think spell casting rotations would be an interesting avenue to explore.
    I was rather surprised at SB's launch that PLD was getting attack magic but DRK was getting none. I'm hoping it's as you think and we get some spell casting in the next expansion, because I'd really love to be able to channel the FFXI DRK, if only a little (I miss my stat drain abilities).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I was rather surprised at SB's launch that PLD was getting attack magic but DRK was getting none. I'm hoping it's as you think and we get some spell casting in the next expansion, because I'd really love to be able to channel the FFXI DRK, if only a little (I miss my stat drain abilities).
    Dark Arts isn’t even a Dark Knight thing. It’s a Necromancer skill, and get this, it has elemental magic with status effects. Crazy right? Hopefully they do get some next expansion, but only if it isn’t spam the same button 5 times.
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    If DRK gets a casted attack, it needs to be a huge attack you only use once in a rotation. Spam attacks aren't particularly engaging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimmak View Post
    If DRK gets a casted attack, it needs to be a huge attack you only use once in a rotation. Spam attacks aren't particularly engaging.
    I could see that happening, and/or possibly a casting rotation reminiscent of BLM. I mean there is room for creativity with Dark Knight other than the monotonous Dark Arts spam.
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    In previous FF games most jobs/characters based on a Dark Knight concept used to have a Darkside aoe that was essentially a wave of dark energy that would cost HP to use. Obviously in XIV the name Darkside is already in use so that might need to be changed as well as the cost to use it (maybe MP instead), but it would be pretty amazing to see something similar to the dark waves seen in the DRK LB3 turned in to an offensive aoe spell to pay homage to previous game incarnations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    In previous FF games most jobs/characters based on a Dark Knight concept used to have a Darkside aoe that was essentially a wave of dark energy that would cost HP to use. Obviously in XIV the name Darkside is already in use so that might need to be changed as well as the cost to use it (maybe MP instead), but it would be pretty amazing to see something similar to the dark waves seen in the DRK LB3 turned in to an offensive aoe spell to pay homage to previous game incarnations.
    You mean like Dark Passenger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    You mean like Dark Passenger?
    No not like Dark Passenger because otherwise I would of mentioned it specifically. It also does not fit the animation design of what I was going for.
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    That's not Dark Passenger?
    Maybe you want the X-2 version?
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    Are people just purposely missing the part where I request for something similar to the radial waves seen during the DRK LB3? I'm not asking for anything linear otherwise I would of just said Dark Passenger, I want to see something in terms of a casted radial aoe with dark energy (and isn't Abysal Drain before someone mentions that), Gravija/Shadow mashup. Ideally it would cost HP but that would be detrimental to a tank so who knows.

    Dark Passenger is really just a poor imitation of Darkside, perhaps the fact it doesn't take up half the screen could be one argument but it's still meh and Darkside has appeared in many different ways throughout several games, so linear attacks aren't a true interpretation.
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    Last edited by Kurando; 07-23-2018 at 09:25 PM.

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