Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Lambdafish]

I wold never ever use these in a video game. It's my leisure time.

Not everyone is you. And a LOT of end game players enjoy pushing themselves to their mathematical peak in terms of performance. Parsers are a great tool to aid in this purpose, and to deny them because you don't want to because of... your job? is really selfish of you.


Regardless, the only time in my ~5 years of playing the game that I have seen arguments over parses is when DPS checks are not being met because of someone pulling massively subpar DPS. That is not a first world problem, that is 7 players not being able to progress because one person sucks and is not pulling their weight. If that person is you and you are upset because people are telling you that a parser says your damage sucks, then my only advice is to ask "How do I improve so we can beat this fight?". Don't come to the forums crying that parsers are evil, because you might as well say that calculators are evil because they do maths for us, or that macros are evil because they execute commands for us.

[MrKusakabe]

Not everyone is you. And a LOT of end game players enjoy pushing themselves to their mathematical peak in terms of performance. Parsers are a great tool to aid in this purpose, and to deny them because you don't want to because of... your job? is really selfish of you.

So it is of them. Pushing "themselves to their mathematical peak in terms of performance" is selfish of them, too.
As you can see, you can turn that argument around.

I told you already things are being finished, no unnecessary wipes. But seeing other people want to push me in their "mathematical peak in terms of performance" is not right either.

I've read earlier: "Then make your own parties". Yes, these people like you mention can do that as well. Not using parsers on a random pug and then "Oh, you did this and that 0.05% differently, OMG usobad".

That's like running a marathon and then saying: "Oh, you took that curve in the wrong way. Now you took 2.6 seconds longer". That is ruining the fun being feared random people watch the parsers more than the actual gameplay and/or the outcome.
If you have a profession that is demanding in real life, you will realize this is a video game and thus a leisure time. All of you should keep that in mind.

Regardless, the only time in my ~5 years of playing the game that I have seen arguments over parses is when DPS checks are not being met because of someone pulling massively subpar DPS. That is not a first world problem, that is 7 players not being able to progress because one person sucks and is not pulling their weight. If that person is you and you are upset because people are telling you that a parser says your damage sucks, then my only advice is to ask "How do I improve so we can beat this fight?". Don't come to the forums crying that parsers are evil, because you might as well say that calculators are evil because they do maths for us, or that macros are evil because they execute commands for us.

Did you even read and comprehend? Wiping all over because of one guy does not require a parser, being SUCH a bad player can simply be seen with bare eyes then. How often do you see these players? And how often it is being used for harrasment or blaming/scapegoating. I also told that I am either agreeing that I am bad and try to get better or we do get trough the content. Nobody ever did I mention I am a slacker and refuse to belive that.

That calculator example I don't get, but you are just grabbing for a straw then. Also, I never cried about "evil parsers", I mention that people - you apparently - love to harrass others because they are not good in a video game. That is awful and kind of disgusting, Sir. I also explained you why. But I guess I gotcha there... *shrug*

To use the words from page 1, a massively upvoted post: "Go make your own group". There you can cause drama because Player 4 did not perform as good as you wished. Even though you might've gotten trough that duty easily, but man, those parser numbers...!!! /s

[KaivaC]

If you have a profession that is demanding in real life, you will realize this is a video game and thus a leisure time. All of you should keep that in mind.

The thing is, we do. What some people choose to do for leisure is their own business. I know for a fact that many of the raiders here do not necessarily trouble PUGs if those players are slacking - the so-called problems that you and others mentioned do not apply here. A few bad apples doesn't mean that EVERYBODY is like that. These are literally the minority that pull this kind of mess. Now with that being said, I don't much like the implication that unemployed people are the only ones would get upset over something like this. Anybody with a passion for something is like to get very passionate about something.

[Vstarstruck]

Then you come up with "diss iss multiplayeur game" and want to kick people, but indeed, it is not just about you (parser users). The argument can go both directions.

Leaving out what I said about "discrimination, I ask you the same thing I asked the TC:

So can you explain how parsers lead to discrimination? I do not need a parser to see if a Healer is standing around not doing anything, or knowing some random DPS is not using AoE abilities. Is it discrimination to kick them after they say something like " you do not pay for my sub" as a reply to use such abilities?

You do not need parses to know someone is being a leech. (Note though this is more for big gaps) 6k vs 5.4 k idc about that difference, esp in expert. What I do care about however is seeing sub 3k or something, or w/e the dps amount is where one can eyeball stuff is dying slow as hell. OFC I do factor gear, fist timer, etc. I am going to be a lot more outspoken about expecting proper play from a savage gear player having a mix of i370 and i360 gear compared to 310 weapon, scattered different ilevel gear, and popping the "one or more members are new, giving 70 more tomes" message.

[Nixxe]

I am being a department manager or head of department (or whatever you wanna call it), and I have basically spreadsheetss, limits, ratings, rankings every day at work. Basically a real-life parser about my and my collegues performance. And I have to think about them evey single day.

I wold never ever use these in a video game. It's my leisure time. If I get the stuff done, everyone else should shut up. Period. I've been flamed for like 30 seconds longer dungeon runs.

Often I feel unemployed over over eagerly addicted speedrun people use these to cause flames and madness and show their pro-ness.
Just like you guys like your rankings and whatnot, I do not. This is not my job.

We get the stuff done, I do not shake my balls while you pull your weight, just to get that straight. I am not one of these "freestyle" guys that make you lose because of DPS checks or something. I know how to adapt - to an extend, enough to not being dead weight.
But I also do not want to have fights over a bit less damage just because you got nothing else to do in your real life that fills you out so you gotta call on people for not doing this or that in a video game.
Then you come up with "diss iss multiplayeur game" and want to kick people, but indeed, it is not just about you (parser users). The argument can go both directions.

Rather than being incredibly condescending and insulting to a diverse group of people you know nothing about, perhaps you should reflect a little bit on the subjective nature of fun.

[MoroMurasaki]

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None of that happens. At all. No one complains about 2.5 seconds being added to a dungeon for a wrong turn. I don't even tend to deal in absolutes and I can say that if that's you're assertion you're just a liar.

If you find that people are complaining about your performance regularly perhaps you should install a parser yourself or get a friend to parse you.

At this point I would rather embrace the meme than listen to people complain about nothing anymore so.... git gud o/

[SaitoHikari]

Did you even read and comprehend? Wiping all over because of one guy does not require a parser, being SUCH a bad player can simply be seen with bare eyes then. How often do you see these players? And how often it is being used for harrasment or blaming/scapegoating. I also told that I am either agreeing that I am bad and try to get better or we do get trough the content. Nobody ever did I mention I am a slacker and refuse to belive that.

That calculator example I don't get, but you are just grabbing for a straw then. Also, I never cried about "evil parsers", I mention that people - you apparently - love to harrass others because they are not good in a video game. That is awful and kind of disgusting, Sir. I also explained you why. But I guess I gotcha there... *shrug*

To use the words from page 1, a massively upvoted post: "Go make your own group". There you can cause drama because Player 4 did not perform as good as you wished. Even though you might've gotten trough that duty easily, but man, those parser numbers...!!! /s

So I shall turn this around: How often do you -actually- see parsers being used for harassment/scapegoating? Has this actually happened to you? Or have you merely imagined someone else thinking that for reasons? Are you not harassing/scapegoating people in this thread right now? I've maybe only seen this happen once in three years for a Sephirot EX practice party, and I actually used my parse data to counter theirs to show that the offender was nowhere near blameless and didn't have much of a right to disparage the rest of the party either.

Pulling the 'I have a job, I play this game to relax, and only unemployed people are concerned about parser performance' card is disingenuous at best, willfully obtuse further down the line, and really -really- insulting at most. Is the main crux of your argument really 'hurr durr fat unemployed raider stereotype' and 'first world problems'? Go work in a 24 hour pharmacy where you have to service a deluge of patients from 4-5 different hospitals on a weekend night because all the other pharmacies closed 3 hours earlier compared to a weekday night, who cannot simply be told to 'wait until all the other pharmacies open in the morning', and come back to me about stress.

Caring about damage numbers is selfish. Willfully holding yourself back because you want to relax while shoving your personal responsibility to 3-7 other people is also selfish. Logically, which is really more important - your sense of individualism, or having the decency to be concerned for the sake of the others you're playing with, if only for a little bit?

It's not hard at all. I certainly don't find my usual rotation stressful at all. If anything, I find it fun melting things quickly as a Bard at such a rate that everyone else I party with is surprised that a Bard can even pull something like that off, while being mindful of support skills at the same time. Someone telling you to improve does not mean that they're a raider running a parser either, but the way this forum behaves, you'd think so. I chose the most practical route: To minimize stress by improving myself to the point where I can stop arguments and cover for others before such thoughts cross everyone's minds in the first place.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Just like you guys like your rankings and whatnot, I do not. This is not my job.

Nor is it mine. You know what I find decidedly unfun? Carrying someone who cannot be bothered to contribute more than the bear minimum while everyone else is pushing at least above average. You may not be dead weight, however if enough people shared your attitude in the same party, we may either not clear at all or barely beat enrage. Clearing a fight by the skin of my teeth each week isn't fun. It's repetitive. If you find that "good enough," by all means, enjoy your progression. Just don't complain if someone else feels different and elects not to keep you in the party as a result. You aren't entitled to a clear nor their time just because your idea of fun differs from theirs.

This idea that raiders only want to party with orange tier speed killers is little more than deflective nonsense to absolve oneself of improving. Most players, even those with oranges but either choose to PF for fight or have their static on breaks, aren't asking for more than an above average player.

Alas, it's easier to blame parsers or "toxic raiders"

[Sigma-Astra]

Guys....this is the same person that blamed millennials for all his problems in another thread.

Hi, I'm off of work now and not an unemployed addict, but I'm still an addict because I like playing XIV?

Am I horrible now?

[Lunafreya]

So uh just wanted to provide my thoughts on this.....

While I do agree that parsing is bad when it is used against people without their consent, it is by no means any harmful if used to check stats, what you can do better, and when you want to improve on a fight. I think that the thread creator is misleading on the topic. She/he states that they are amazing and dont need to dps as a healer. Okay, but you have to remember that not dpsing as a healer is severely gimping your own toolkit. Healer dps is very important considering we are very powerful and can mostly heal stuff with OGCD's and you need to utilize those to the best of your ability. Dpsing itself without knowing a fight however, is stupid. A tip I use for myself is map all my cooldowns to the fight mechanics and where I want to heal and dps. I can spend most of the fight dpsing cause you dont need to heal much. I say this time and time again but you can heal with OGCD and dps more if you wish. Sure, you can heal a ton if you really want but that is NOT OPTIMAL in the slightest. FFLOGS is there to help people improve and I would never ever say somebody sucks because of numbers if we got the clear. A clear is a clear but ONCE YOU CLEAR it is nice to change things to make yourself a better player such as mapping your cooldowns to the fights. Now, I know you hate fflogs but I went and look at yours and you haven't cleared God Kefka which is imo a very easy fight yet you are proclaiming how great you are as a healer in this thread and I think you can dps a lot more as a scholar. Scholars should never be doing the majority of the healing as they are optimal for more dps and are support healers.

I also want to say that this thread just feels like you are trolling as well in various replies. If somebody is pointing out crap parses of yours then maybe you should improve. Mind you, I'm not trying to be insulting here but just want you to understand that low Scholar dps is not optimal one bit. You have no proof that you are better than any players and yet you decide to just crap all over people's achievements when they are objectively better than you. Tough shite, hun but I think this thread was created cause someone called you out in a party and you wanted to decide that FFlogs must be the cause of all your grievances when in reality maybe they just wanted to see you dps and heal optimally considering you are in savage. I went ahead and looked at your lodestone as well just because I was curious but you seem geared pretty well yet you assume BiS is not required. I'm a bit lost here but what exactly are you trying to prove in this thread? The only thing I can agree with is saying people suck by referencing numbers and being a jerk but your other points quite frankly make no sense.