Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Yeol]

So why do you classify them as bad?

They are classified as bad because of many different reasons. But since this topic is about dps, bad players generally do not know how to execute a proper opener, basic rotation, opener mid-fight. How to recover after a death? Do I start my rotation from where I stopped or start over? Every job is different. If they did know their basics, you won't see their dps falling below Average.

You are doing content with PF, and like I stated before, you will hardly ever run into good players there. Don't assume that what you run into is the average.

A job is designed to deal a certain amount of dps. If a player is not able to meet these numbers then they are playing the job wrong. Why would you defend them?
Logs show them where they stand. Rather than playing victims, they should aim to get better. At least meet the average requirement and no one will say anything to them.

[JohnSeal]

Brilliant idea, we get rid of the logs, but since without calculated mathematics to determine DPS, they will then rely on which job causes the biggest burst and how frequently it happens. Before parsing got popular during ARR, there was a large group of people who thought MNK was useless because it did sustained small hits instead of big bursty hits like DRG.

People will always "discriminate" - you want people to discriminate based on factual data and not just gut feelings or misinterpretation of how a job works.

Also, if we don't have Parser or Logs to determine who the problem child of the group is, parties will just disband or stop playing the content altogether until we have a band of people we can verify are up to standard. Having no accountability means more troll groups where people just leave because someone out of the 8 isn't pulling their weight or multiple people aren't and there's no way to verify.



Yeah, you're factually below-average and I didn't even say what color you were. By the way, as you're an "expert players" who is better than me? I don't raid at all, I have no way to discriminate against you for any sort of color parse. I just look at your ability usage and see that you're not playing up to par. I guess your idea of FUN is not trying, weird hobby - but everyone's got one!

Please explain last sentence, I didn’t get what you mean lol

So you don’t raid and are still talking? I mean is like I don’t have a car and I want to teach you how to drive? Omg I am shocked...

The fact that a specific parses is low doesn’t say nothing about my SMN, every situation is different and I can’t remeber certainly each run...I am a good SMN doesn’t matter what the parses says!! My rotation deal 5790dps on is own but in a raid you never know. I never had problem with DPS check with groups even if someone was dealing less than 3k so I don’t see realistic what you say mate

[Ultima]

Please explain last sentence, I didn’t get what you mean lol

So you don’t raid and are still talking? I mean is like I don’t have a car and I want to teach you how to drive? Omg I am shocked...

The fact that a specific parses is low doesn’t say nothing about my SMN, every situation is different and I can’t remeber certainly each run...I am a good SMN doesn’t matter what the parses says!! My rotation deal 5790dps on is own but in a raid you never know. I never had problem with DPS check with groups even if someone was dealing less than 3k so I don’t see realistic what you say mate

When did raiding become a requirement to be part of this conversation I remember you just running your mouth without knowing all the facts, so I thought it was acceptable to just jump in as well? See, here's the thing, buddy old pal mate, my friendo. Whether it be in EXR, a trial, a raid, or a savage raid. You will use the same abilities and your opener/rotation may change based on when the boss goes untargetable or spawns adds. So, your parses on FFlogs do show quite a history of how your SMN plays and that's the best for factual data we have. But see, your hobby is not playing optimally - your hobby is playing for FUN so apparently it's okay that you're not good at your Job!

See, you're not a good SMN because you have no factual data to prove that you're a good SMN player, but tell you what! I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong, I won't ask for a video, a parse, or a FFlog. I'm going to ask you one simple question and I want you to answer it, okay?

Can you tell me your opener for Summoner?

[24spencer]

I am a good SMN doesn’t matter what the parses says!! My rotation deal 5790dps on is own but in a raid you never know

Literally the only thing that matters as a dps class is what a parser says. If a parser shows that your dps is low you are not a good SMN. If you cant upkeep dps without eating the floor or dropping uptime while doing mechanics then you are not a good SMN. If your magic special secret rotation actually does 5790 dps then yes it will show in a raid and people will know. Parsers dont just selectively remove player damage for funzies.

[JohnSeal]

When did raiding become a requirement to be part of this conversation I remember you just running your mouth without knowing all the facts, so I thought it was acceptable to just jump in as well? See, here's the thing, buddy old pal mate, my friendo. Whether it be in EXR, a trial, a raid, or a savage raid. You will use the same abilities and your opener/rotation may change based on when the boss goes untargetable or spawns adds. So, your parses on FFlogs do show quite a history of how your SMN plays and that's the best for factual data we have. But see, your hobby is not playing optimally - your hobby is playing for FUN so apparently it's okay that you're not good at your Job!

See, you're not a good SMN because you have no factual data to prove that you're a good SMN player, but tell you what! I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong, I won't ask for a video, a parse, or a FFlog. I'm going to ask you one simple question and I want you to answer it, okay?

Can you tell me your opener for Summoner?

Do you want me to write it all? Lol basically Garuda opener!

So do you have fact to support are better than me? I mean I not s God SMN but I play it pretty well and someone say really cleaverly, you don’t just consider dmg,but opener,ability to restart after boss gets untargettable or after you die, how you switch to single target rotation to aoe one...anyway I still don’t pretend to be an amazing SMN but about healing I can teach you and most of players
Healing is much more complex than just do pew pew pew and feel great when you just follow what other ppl say to you.
Still I think God tier player are Japanese or Korean as always and we can’t compete lol

[HiraQin]

Please explain last sentence, I didn’t get what you mean lol

So you don’t raid and are still talking? I mean is like I don’t have a car and I want to teach you how to drive? Omg I am shocked...

The fact that a specific parses is low doesn’t say nothing about my SMN, every situation is different and I can’t remeber certainly each run...I am a good SMN doesn’t matter what the parses says!! My rotation deal 5790dps on is own but in a raid you never know. I never had problem with DPS check with groups even if someone was dealing less than 3k so I don’t see realistic what you say mate

Im a bit confused..where does this number suddenly comes from?Did you parse?SimCraft?If the latter then with what values did you Sim?
And like the name said is it simulation..means thats what you can do with perfect play and under perfect circumstances but without doing mechanics.
Its like comparing your chess-skills to a chess-computer and come to the conclusion your skills are equal.

[JohnSeal]

Anyway we got out of topic again, the discussion is not about SMNs, classes or DPSing but players and their greed and I repeat my suggestion to keep LOGS RUN separated from weekly clears, I mean if you guys are obsessed with logs why play with players like me that DON’T CARE? You won’t benefit from it! Same concept works viceversa. Btw I don’t need parses to increase my self esteem like some of you lol

[Ultima]

Do you want me to write it all? Lol basically Garuda opener!

So do you have fact to support are better than me? I mean I not s God SMN but I play it pretty well and someone say really cleaverly, you don’t just consider dmg,but opener,ability to restart after boss gets untargettable or after you die, how you switch to single target rotation to aoe one...anyway I still don’t pretend to be an amazing SMN but about healing I can teach you and most of players
Healing is much more complex than just do pew pew pew and feel great when you just follow what other ppl say to you.
Still I think God tier player are Japanese or Korean as always and we can’t compete lol

Show your work, you won't get full points if you don't show your work. You say the Garuda opener, but you need to provide it. That wasn't a clever point they made, that was common sense and probably where you're losing a lot of damage.

Also about healing: I've been healing since ARR as my main, you can't teach me anything I don't already know. It's a boring role where you keep people above 0 hp and DPS until you need to prevent people from going below 1 hp again.

I'm not going to even respond to that racebaiting remark about player origins.

Anyway we got out of topic again, the discussion is not about SMNs, classes or DPSing but players and their greed and I repeat my suggestion to keep LOGS RUN separated from weekly clears, I mean if you guys are obsessed with logs why play with players like me that DON’T CARE? You won’t benefit from it! Same concept works viceversa. Btw I don’t need parses to increase my self esteem like some of you lol

Because as we've told you like 25 times, you poor soul. There is no such thing as this player greed that you made up and if you want to keep FFlog runs separate from weekly clears, then make your own party and state your intent. But, you're not going to listen and continue to attack people instead.

[Nhadaly]

Im sorry that i dont want ppl who dont put the bare minimum effort in to do DPS and learn their class in a fight that requires you to be good and make on-the-fly decisions, adjust rotations and do mechanics at the same time.

I expect people to put in effort to learn their class and adjust their rotations to best fit the fight so that they can do better dps, as well as learn a fights mechanics when they group up with me, i dont want to be held back by a person who dies to the same thing for the millionth time and does enough dps to drag everyone down to enrage with him, thats just not why i raid.

I am a part of 2 raiding groups, one super casual and one midcore, and even the super casual one, people put in effort and deal enough dps to beat the enrage of Garuda and Ifrit on Ultima and these guys arent exceptional players, so i cant fathom why others cant put the bare minimum effort to do the exact same.

These threads usually come from individuals who cant be arsed to put in even a little bit of effort to get decent or servicable at their jobs because "its muh suuuuuubbbb" while they go in parties and drag everyone down with their sub-par performance and when somebody calls them out on it they go "PARSEEEEESSSSSS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".......

[JohnSeal]

Im sorry that i dont want ppl who dont put the bare minimum effort in to do DPS and learn their class in a fight that requires you to be good and make on-the-fly decisions, adjust rotations and do mechanics at the same time.

I expect people to put in effort to learn their class and adjust their rotations to best fit the fight so that they can do better dps, as well as learn a fights mechanics when they group up with me, i dont want to be held back by a person who dies to the same thing for the millionth time and does enough dps to drag everyone down to enrage with him, thats just not why i raid.

I am a part of 2 raiding groups, one super casual and one midcore, and even the super casual one, people put in effort and deal enough dps to beat the enrage of Garuda and Ifrit on Ultima and these guys arent exceptional players, so i cant fathom why others cant put the bare minimum effort to do the exact same.

These threads usually come from individuals who cant be arsed to put in even a little bit of effort to get decent or servicable at their jobs because "its muh suuuuuubbbb" while they go in parties and drag everyone down with their sub-par performance and when somebody calls them out on it they go "PARSEEEEESSSSSS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".......

Hey I am the first one to agree that lazy player shouldn’t come even close to savage contents! So if you talk about me you are wrong mate. I love this game and I put a lot of effort everyday, too much sometimes I think and I dedicate so much time to my favourite classes to master it and optimise them! I study skills,stats,see povs before to jump in serious contents. If you got time to have two statics and synchronise yousejf with people to play YOU ARE LUCKY! I don’t have time because I work often at night that’s all.

For Ms Ultima: really I am on the phone and seriously can’t make a file to show you my opener come on, told you Garuda opener you see online with few little adjustments.
Anyway if you don’t deal every week with toxic greedy player good for you but I do and many others too... still I don’t need to prove myself to you.
Luckyly many ppl on this forum understood my post and agree. Many others on other forum say the same parses are the ruin of games. Good player can improve themselves without
Talking to you is like to talk to Trump,you just hear what you want and answer by attacking so time wasted!