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    Player Tiaque's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Also, please tell me you're not that tank who walks into expert roulette with an i310 weapon and complains that they can't hold hate when most have at least an i360 at this point or the healer who walks into a 24-man raid. BIS is not pointless for healers or tanks, your skill is directly affected by what ilvl your gear is, and if your gear is outdated? Well, you're gonna have a bad time.

    Please, for the love of cheddar, don't advocate that BIS doesn't matter for healers or tanks. It matters for EVERYONE. Don't be lazy.
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
    This is flat out false. I know because I have ripped off Warriors in Defiance while I'm full BiS. You aren't holding anything at i310 against a good i360 DPS unless it's a dungeon trash pull, you're sitting in tank stance and spamming Overpower/Unleash/Flash. Against a boss? Yeah, no. The DPS will be tanking if they know what they're doing. An i360+ Bard can burst for over 11,000. There isn't a chance in hell a i310 tank swapping stances will keep aggro off of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
    There was nothing "skillful" about a PLD going through Swallow's Compass with an i310 and losing aggro towards the Red Mage, myself (BLM), and the healer (WHM). It was like playing a game of hot potato even when we were all using enmity reducers like Diversion and Lucid. Most of us (and by most, I mean the healers and the two DPS) were decked out in i365 weapons and i370 gear. That PLD was woefully outmatched....in gear and skills.

    Hate can be held easily if you're staying in tanking stance and not DPS stance, but it's not a perfect guarantee regardless if you're only using an i310. You don't go in DPS stance when your weapon is way lower than your healer and DPS's, you're playing with fire, literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
    Only because the threat generation on Shield Oath/Defiance/Grit and our major threat combos and AoE threat generators always get jacked up if casual players can't hold threat. Holding threat in i310 isn't about skill, it's about adding an additional Rage of Halone or Flash. There is nothing skillful about holding threat in trivial content.

    Oh no, a DPS is creeping up on my threat lead - better use MY THREAT GENERATION ABILITIES.

    Duh? You frontload your threat generation a little harder than you would if you were a higher item level, there is no hidden secret. Tanks have the depth of a kiddie pool.

    Never before seen skill, basic comprehension of your threat meter's status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
    Something tells me that dps was not something like a drg. You are not going to keep agro with a i310 wep if a drg has i360 unless they are super nice and use diversion, elusive jump, or have a ninja tossing band aids on the situation. I can very easily pull hate off tanks in dps stance. Do it all the damn time. And I can do it with tanks that can and do savage content so it is not about skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anselmet View Post
    Something tells me that dps was not something like a drg. You are not going to keep agro with a i310 wep if a drg has i360 unless they are super nice and use diversion, elusive jump, or have a ninja tossing band aids on the situation. I can very easily pull hate off tanks in dps stance. Do it all the damn time. And I can do it with tanks that can and do savage content so it is not about skill.
    Yeeea nawww, If I can do it im sure others can too long as they git gud. The game is all about numbers, and a few other factors, I just happen to have those factors. You are used to your garden variety casual tanks, need to find some thats been doing it for years.

    Since we going by that note, I have yet to find a DRG that does NOT tank the floor. But its gonna be fun very soon, since now Ill have plenty of Dragoons, tanking the floor in my beloved Monster Hunter game, very very soon.

    Oooh yeess......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    Yeeea nawww, If I can do it im sure others can too long as they git gud. The game is all about numbers, and a few other factors, I just happen to have those factors. You are used to your garden variety casual tanks, need to find some thats been doing it for years.

    Since we going by that note, I have yet to find a DRG that does NOT tank the floor. But its gonna be fun very soon, since now Ill have plenty of Dragoons, tanking the floor in my beloved Monster Hunter game, very very soon.

    Oooh yeess......
    How toxic, you expect these casuals who are being attacked by the boogeyman raiders to comprehend the idea of "git gud"? Don't you know they play how they want, don't you know they've been playing since ARR and still need to pull one pack at a time, thus resulting in a i360 player dumping their entire opener into a single mob while the tank is trying to hold 3 mobs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    How toxic, you expect these casuals who are being attacked by the boogeyman raiders to comprehend the idea of "git gud"? Don't you know they play how they want, don't you know they've been playing since ARR and still need to pull one pack at a time, thus resulting in a i360 player dumping their entire opener into a single mob while the tank is trying to hold 3 mobs?
    They can play however they want, its their subs. But if they are getting attacked by elitists, their own fault, does not take long to look up a guide, practice rotations on a dummy, and generally learn. Tanking in this game is not hard, at all. I find being a Healer or a DPS to be much more challenging. But when you get a DPS hitting random buttons, or hell, hitting the same attack over and over for god knows what reason, then constantly being yelled at for it, its really their own fault for not trying to fix it. But hey if they can ignore it and all the angst they get, more power to them. I dont pay their sub, you dont pay their sub, no one pays their sub, they pay it, they play how they want. Ive had plenty of bad dps in 4, 8, 24 man content, I dont call em out on it, I just carry them as best as I can. Its pointless to yell at them for it since they likely had to go thru abuse alot already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    They can play however they want, its their subs. But if they are getting attacked by elitists, their own fault, does not take long to look up a guide, practice rotations on a dummy, and generally learn. Tanking in this game is not hard, at all. I find being a Healer or a DPS to be much more challenging.
    It's their 15 dollars, but for the other three players, it's their combined 45 dollars that is being wasted. I guess that makes me an "elitist" because I want people to know how to press Flash or use 1-2-3 to hold threat in tank stance as a baseline of their braindead easy role.

    That said, Healer isn't any harder - there's nothing to do, so you DPS because there's too much downtime.

    Playing a DPS is the hardest role because the only way to prove your value is being repeatedly attacked in threads like this by people who pull 2k DPS in i350+ gear as a DPS.
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    Player Tiaque's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    It's their 15 dollars, but for the other three players, it's their combined 45 dollars that is being wasted. I guess that makes me an "elitist" because I want people to know how to press Flash or use 1-2-3 to hold threat in tank stance as a baseline of their braindead easy role.

    That said, Healer isn't any harder - there's nothing to do, so you DPS because there's too much downtime.

    Playing a DPS is the hardest role because the only way to prove your value is being repeatedly attacked in threads like this by people who pull 2k DPS in i350+ gear as a DPS.
    *shrug* like I said, their money, I could give a damn about their numbers unless it becomes a serious problem. That and only that is the time I ever speak up, unless someone else does already.

    But what ya expect? SE keeps making the same mistake of following the same path World of Whinecraft has done, and alot of high end content to be DPS races. Doubt they will ever change the formula up. Next expansion is gonna be most of the same, expansion after that, and expansion after that. They could start toying with making content very similar to how the new MH Crossover fight is gonna be but well, tbh with you they probably gonna save all that for their next MMO which will highly likely be True Action Combat, since the Technology is there now to fully support True Action combat. Honestly makes me excited to see what SE will do next for their next mmo.

    But, it will be hilarious if in their next MMO, it becomes a DPS race too. Haha.
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