Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[KisaiTenshi]

Parsers don't bother me, but FFLogs does.

I should not be forced to keep my raid performance on a permanent record that's publicly available when I'm content with just getting my weekly clears (For the record, I do care about performing well and improving, but I'm not the sort who repeatedly re-runs a raid strictly to get a good parse).

The problem is the number of people who actually know how those tools work can be counted on one hand, and they're not accurate or reliable tools, but people want to believe they are so they can bludgeon other users with them. Everyone who doesn't like the site should explicitly optout of the site, and if people won't party with you for hiding parses, report them.

Players who use these tools on any active content, are cheaters. Just look what happened with UwU.

There is no accountability to be had. Bad players will use tools because they think they're in a e-peen competition. Good players don't use tools at all, or at least not tools that give them any advantage in playing content or automation. The friction comes from bad players who parse and think they're in a e-peen competition on content that doesn't even matter, harassing PUG's and PF's groups, instead of forming their own private e-peen party.

Parser users are wrecking the game, no doubt. And when parser users complain about the content being too easy... that is why.

[Sigma-Astra]

If you read all post few ppl are agreeing so I am representing them. Did someone choose MLK or Ghandi to represent their ppl. If you have ideas you express them and forever fight for them!

Omg, are you the alt of that race topic. Why are people using MLK and other historical figures to suddenly prop themselves up on a platform that they can make decisions for other people based on this.

Stop. Please.

[giwaman]

Funny thread indeed.
Well Party Finder aint that bad at all been doing all my weekly clears O5678s, since march till now never had an issue or such
Just chill and enjoy the game my fellow WOL!

[Kazrah]

Another case of "guns kill people" argument.

Parses, much like guns, are just tools at the end of the day tied to the negative stigma of those who would use them against others rather than the primary intention of a parsing tool, which is to allow for personal improvement within the game. Yes, there are other means like S3 that allow for that for each fight, but they provide far too little in terms of usable data required to improve.

Although I don't parse (if I wanted to be annoyed about updating addons, I'd stay in WoW), I fully understand the positive aspects of doing so. Now if you REALLY wanted to demand something about it OP, call instead for FFlogs to be shut down since SE probably has the legal authority to do that for a system that is more prone for being used to bully others.

Also OP, please stop sounding like some pious defender. That's the one thing keeping me from taking your claims seriously.

[Melichoir]

Frankly, I havent seen teh issues you have. Most groups I have that are pugs are more about people dying to mechanics over terrible DPS. Personally, DPS isnt even high on the list of things to consider unless youre consistently hitting enrage.

As for people not feinting or aggro dumping, either your tanks need to step up their game, or the tanks need to shout at the DPS to be using those things. I dont see it to often, but when it does happen, Ive told DPS to use those skills as needed instead of just letting Aggro creep up. Though the reliance on those things (and tanks not circle shirking) is more a design problem in the game as a whole, where its a DPS race over even mechanics. Personally, Id rather they design it so you cant MT out of Grit, and hte fight revolves heavily around mechanics and controlling the fight, rather than everyone essentially "DPS to beat dps checks!" But thats a personal preference, and I dont htink our player base would be able to competently handle that.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The problem is the number of people who actually know how those tools work can be counted on one hand, and they're not accurate or reliable tools, but people want to believe they are so they can bludgeon other users with them. Everyone who doesn't like the site should explicitly optout of the site, and if people won't party with you for hiding parses, report them.

Translation: "I'm allowed to join your party no matter what."

No one is obligated to bring you along. They can setup an all catgirl requirement and kick you for not abiding by it. Asking someone to show their FFlogs is not harassment. It's their party, and you either abide by their rules or find another party. But yes, no one knows how to use parses nor are they reliable. It isn't as though they're used to create the very rotations we all use. The same rotations SE has been forced to adjust numerous times because players found better alternatives than they intended. (Hello, Ninja!). That doesn't happen if parsers were widely inaccurate. There may be slight discrepancies here or there, but we're talking a 100 DPS, tops. Not the difference between a DRG pulling 6,300 and a MNK barely breaking 5,000.

There is no accountability to be had. Bad players will use tools because they think they're in a e-peen competition. Good players don't use tools at all, or at least not tools that give them any advantage in playing content or automation.

Virtually every raider uses a parser in this game. You are almost guaranteed to have at least someone running one if you join any EX or Savage party. They may not openly acknowledge it, but they are certainly running one. Parsers are the very definition of accountability, and the only one available to call out underperforming DPS who attempt to blame the healer or tank when it's them lagging behind. I suppose it's too much not wanting people in a farm party doing over a 1,000 DPS less than you, thus making you unable to skip mechanics, which makes the fighter smoother to farm. How terrible!

Parser users are wrecking the game, no doubt. And when parser users complain about the content being too easy... that is why.

I adore the quantum levels of reach you employ. Parsers have nothing to do with this game being brain dead easy at all levels beyond Savage. Parsers aren't making Swallow's Compass such a laughable joke, you can run it without a healer nor does it make two healers doing little beyond heal utterly worthless in o5n. You fault parsers for Ridorana suddenly having less mistakes week two instead of people simply knowing the mechanics.

What you continue to do is mistake parsers for triggers, specifically cactbot. They are not the same thing. One calculates your damage, the other calls out mechanics. You aren't using the latter in Ridorana. Most still don't bother with it in Savage, or even Ultimate.

[Baingoleth]

Of course some people who are against parsers are going to keep making pointless threads about parsers.
Of course parsers will continue to be used even though some users do a lot of complaining.

As long as the client can get numbers, 3rd party software can parse it. Because parsing is done on the user's computer and nothing is sent to the FFXIV servers how do you expect SE to enforce a no-parsing rule? Do you people who want SE to do something about parsers really think anything to be done on some technical level? Seriously? Unless players flat out say they are parsing how is SE supposed to know? Even when people do admit to parsing, SE has already shown they'll leave it alone unless the parsing players harass people with the numbers.

These threads.

[Ilan]

So, you invented what for me is the best game ever, you a kind the God of gaming and please take this as a devoted prayer. The concept of parsing in-game is damaging our community and taking all the fun from this game, I always thought the concept of playing videogames is to have fun and online games should create a jubilant sense of aggregation among people, sharing achievements and cheer about but with the parses obsession many gamers have all of that is gone and replaced by a community of selfish people that care only about themselves and numbers, I mean on PF lately the situation degenerated. Nobody cares anymore about the game itself, I doubt many people still have fun and most important they take all the fun out from passionate players like me. Gamers greed, greed and greed, I don't see NINs use Shadewalker to help the tanks is ages, or anyone use enmity decreaser anymore, I see people argue about who gets the dragoon DS or PLDs forget about their interventions or other defensive single/raid wide skils, also most of the players don't use stuff like Adle, Reprisal, Feint. Sometimes in a simple weekly clear we need to wipe 3/4 times because of a melee greed on extra skills or they just get killed on basic stuff, the examples could be uncountable. For healers like me, it's even worst because all pressure is on you and people judge you not for your abilities or effectiveness on solving a crisis or save others from their own mistakes but for the amount of damage you deal, I mean it is easy to heal in a perfect party but a good healer you see it in difficult times! The concept of BIS that everybody is crazy about it's pointless for healers and tanks because what really matters I think are their skills of adapting and solving. The parses don't tell how many people ignore mechs or get hit by laser, beams, missiles or whatever when they shouldn't. I can keep everybody alive and do a great job with 2500 or 1000 Crit, with or without food doesn't really matter but sometimes I am forced to heal alone because the other healer wants a purple log and that's not fair! Same concept if someone wants to level up a new class FOR FUN or because it's an enjoyable new challenge, it's not possible because others treat you bad. I mean nobody can't deal 5/6 k of DPS with ALL their classes but still if you don't you get kicked! Same when you release some amazing new EX trial if someone fancy to farm it to get new weapons or to just play, you can't because they expect you to be a top player with their class or they throw you away. Long story short, the parses system create a real sort of DISCRIMINATION in the ffxiv world and that's really sad. We are in 2018 and still, it happens, if not for your skin colour or your social status or the clothes you wear, now even playing a game it happens...This system should be changed and I hope you will do something about.

Kind Regards
John

Parsing destroys nothing. People do and people don't need a parser to kick you or flame you, they'll find another reason. Also most people don't need a parser to tell if you play good or bad, they just need to pay a bit attention.

BiS is also not pointless for healers and tanks because it works for them the same way as for dps classes.

I still don't understand why people bring up the same arguments over and over again because they are just wrong. The energy people waste to hate against parsers would be better used for learning how to play their classes properly.

[24spencer]

OMG you are apparently so full of yourself that don’t realise you are taking to a expert players. I know all you say it dear and I can play well with almost all classes probably better than you

then post logs

oh wait

[Avix_Sunpuncher]