Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[KageTokage]

Parsers don't bother me, but FFLogs does.

I should not be forced to keep my raid performance on a permanent record that's publicly available when I'm content with just getting my weekly clears (For the record, I do care about performing well and improving, but I'm not the sort who repeatedly re-runs a raid strictly to get a good parse).

[mahariel]

Parsers don't bother me, but FFLogs does.

I should not be forced to keep my raid performance on a permanent record that's publicly available when I'm content with just getting my weekly clears (For the record, I do care about performing well and improving, but I'm not the sort who repeatedly re-runs a raid strictly to get a good parse).

I'm pretty sure if you make an account you can make your character's profile private, at least.

[Rockette]

Parsers don't bother me, but FFLogs does.

I should not be forced to keep my raid performance on a permanent record that's publicly available when I'm content with just getting my weekly clears (For the record, I do care about performing well and improving, but I'm not the sort who repeatedly re-runs a raid strictly to get a good parse).

You're not. There's an option to hide your logs on FFlogs.

You literally have the fflogs key on your lodestone character profile - you signed up to the site?

???

[KageTokage]

You're not. There's an option to hide your logs on FFlogs.

You literally have the fflogs key on your lodestone character profile - you signed up to the site?

???

Even if you haven't actually signed up on FFlogs, people will still judge you just from you showing up in the other people's parses. I initially became aware of it after some stupid DRK started spouting some drivel about me being "bottom percentile" on my only logged savage Exdeath kill (Where I died multiple times due to factors out of my control) and concluded I'd be dead weight at Neo Exdeath as a result (I ended up getting my clear a day or two after that,).

I signed up because I wanted to be able to hide these logs uploaded by other players, but that ended up having even more of a negative effect (While trying for a OS8 clear, multiple groups refused to queue until I showed them my parses), so there really isn't any way to escape it entirely.

Some people probably think this is really petty, but I just don't like that others are able to pre-judge someone in this manner at all, particularly when the ones who do are often too stupid to view a parse in detail to understand the factors that may have been involved in a player's "poor" performance. I can't even begin to count the number of times I was the only one who died in a OS8 clear because the healers decided I'd be fine if I wasn't topped off for a Forsaken or Light of Judgment,and I've also been killed by my melee "partner" in OS7 multiple times when they decided to disregard my Abandonment and use their gap closer (Some simple communication beforehand could've prevented this so I could've known to be ready to Shukuchi afer them).

[Awha]

You're not. There's an option to hide your logs on FFlogs.

You literally have the fflogs key on your lodestone character profile - you signed up to the site?

???

While not extremely common, FFLogs has caused some issues for a few members in our FC. Granted, most of it was due to our own ignorance as to how FFLogs work, but at the time we did not know that FFLogs were opt-out instead of in. We were under the impression that even if our friends performance was sub-par due to certain limitations would could still use our own data to improve our play. Sadly we found out after some drama that other players were able to see their logs. Though I am sure it is rare.

[KisaiTenshi]

Parsers don't bother me, but FFLogs does.

I should not be forced to keep my raid performance on a permanent record that's publicly available when I'm content with just getting my weekly clears (For the record, I do care about performing well and improving, but I'm not the sort who repeatedly re-runs a raid strictly to get a good parse).

The problem is the number of people who actually know how those tools work can be counted on one hand, and they're not accurate or reliable tools, but people want to believe they are so they can bludgeon other users with them. Everyone who doesn't like the site should explicitly optout of the site, and if people won't party with you for hiding parses, report them.

Players who use these tools on any active content, are cheaters. Just look what happened with UwU.

There is no accountability to be had. Bad players will use tools because they think they're in a e-peen competition. Good players don't use tools at all, or at least not tools that give them any advantage in playing content or automation. The friction comes from bad players who parse and think they're in a e-peen competition on content that doesn't even matter, harassing PUG's and PF's groups, instead of forming their own private e-peen party.

Parser users are wrecking the game, no doubt. And when parser users complain about the content being too easy... that is why.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The problem is the number of people who actually know how those tools work can be counted on one hand, and they're not accurate or reliable tools, but people want to believe they are so they can bludgeon other users with them. Everyone who doesn't like the site should explicitly optout of the site, and if people won't party with you for hiding parses, report them.

Translation: "I'm allowed to join your party no matter what."

No one is obligated to bring you along. They can setup an all catgirl requirement and kick you for not abiding by it. Asking someone to show their FFlogs is not harassment. It's their party, and you either abide by their rules or find another party. But yes, no one knows how to use parses nor are they reliable. It isn't as though they're used to create the very rotations we all use. The same rotations SE has been forced to adjust numerous times because players found better alternatives than they intended. (Hello, Ninja!). That doesn't happen if parsers were widely inaccurate. There may be slight discrepancies here or there, but we're talking a 100 DPS, tops. Not the difference between a DRG pulling 6,300 and a MNK barely breaking 5,000.

There is no accountability to be had. Bad players will use tools because they think they're in a e-peen competition. Good players don't use tools at all, or at least not tools that give them any advantage in playing content or automation.

Virtually every raider uses a parser in this game. You are almost guaranteed to have at least someone running one if you join any EX or Savage party. They may not openly acknowledge it, but they are certainly running one. Parsers are the very definition of accountability, and the only one available to call out underperforming DPS who attempt to blame the healer or tank when it's them lagging behind. I suppose it's too much not wanting people in a farm party doing over a 1,000 DPS less than you, thus making you unable to skip mechanics, which makes the fighter smoother to farm. How terrible!

Parser users are wrecking the game, no doubt. And when parser users complain about the content being too easy... that is why.

I adore the quantum levels of reach you employ. Parsers have nothing to do with this game being brain dead easy at all levels beyond Savage. Parsers aren't making Swallow's Compass such a laughable joke, you can run it without a healer nor does it make two healers doing little beyond heal utterly worthless in o5n. You fault parsers for Ridorana suddenly having less mistakes week two instead of people simply knowing the mechanics.

What you continue to do is mistake parsers for triggers, specifically cactbot. They are not the same thing. One calculates your damage, the other calls out mechanics. You aren't using the latter in Ridorana. Most still don't bother with it in Savage, or even Ultimate.

[KaivaC]

It is very hard to ignore the blatant ignorance that is spread over this topic.

The problem is the number of people who actually know how those tools work can be counted on one hand, and they're not accurate or reliable tools, but people want to believe they are so they can bludgeon other users with them. Everyone who doesn't like the site should explicitly optout of the site, and if people won't party with you for hiding parses, report them.

And now you have made your way into this thread. I swear, this topic draws in folks like this on an almost regular basis. I feel like this is FFXIV's version of Street Fighter. You know, with the never-ending sequels of the 90s. Super Parser Fighter II Anniversary HD Remix Ultimate Edition. No matter how much the bad guy loses, they still find a way to show up in the next battle to do the exact same thing (in this case, show that they are wrong).

So anyways, what is there even to report? If I do a PF, look up your logs without telling you and decide I don't want you in my party because you are only parsing greys (in this case, let's say you are a SAM whose averages 3K, and you've been doing Sigmascape savage since it debuted), your suggestion is to report me for kicking you without saying a word to you??? By this logic, you would rather the party is forced to carry you because you cannot get good enough to at least pull 5k? (I choose SAM specifically to illustrate something). This isn't the DF - why should I be forced to keep you in my PF where I am wanting to either get a speedkill, clear on the first pull, without having to go out of my way to make up for a 3K SAM? I chose this specific example for a reason, so if you choose to respond, please keep it within the confines of the example I laid out for you.

[Hakuro89]

And now you have made your way into this thread. I swear, this topic draws in folks like this on an almost regular basis.

It's funny you seem surprised that a thread demonizing parsers attracted Kisai to it. If anything I'm surprised it took this long for him to show up with a gallon of gasoline for this obnoxious grease fire of a thread.

[KisaiTenshi]

And now you have made your way into this thread. I swear, this topic draws in folks like this on an almost regular basis.

Nobody asked anyone in the thread to come to this thread. You can walk away without adding your 2 cents.

I'm objectively right about how the parsers work and the kind of damage it does to the game. If you don't see it as cheating, then you clearly don't enjoy playing games, and would be just as entertained by watching someone else play it on twitch.

Yoshi-P is not going to make "harder" content because the content was not designed to be played with cheat tools. You want to cheat, later claim the game is too easy. Maybe quit using the tools and you'll see where the difficulty is supposed to be. If anything the content is getting watered down because the parser users are falling outside the bell curve.