It would be nice not to be hated

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And now you present a case of Selfishness vs Selfishness which means each group should just find their common ground and play along with it. Simple as that.

Except they do just that. The group recruiting has ultimately made the decision, thus you opt to find another fitting your own criteria. Don't whine they aren't allowing a SAM. It's their choice as much as yours for electing to play that job.

Personally I think it would be nice if the raid buffs were in the role actions category. Like not necessarily "all DPS get everything", but osmething like... all melee can take trick attack or the piercing debuff. All ranged get the hypercharge/foe's debuff. Etc. Obviously some DPS would need to be toned down on getting access to these but I think it would be healthier in the long run, that is, people will no longer feel like "oh that SAM does lots of damage but makes me look bad" and so on.

Doing this would homogenize everything. Outside of a few mechanical differences, there would remain very little that separates each job in their respective role. Not to mention, you would see people just taking the best debuffs without much thought. Both melee would take Trick Attack, Battle Litany and Brotherhood because why not? One takes Slashing; the other Piercing. And now you have a revolving door of debuffs. Granted, Bards would adore 40 seconds of Battle Litany.

[Risvertasashi]

Doing this would homogenize everything. Outside of a few mechanical differences, there would remain very little that separates each job in their respective role.

This is already the case. Tuning a few numbers differently doesn't change that.

[Kabooa]

, there would remain very little that separates each job in their respective role. Not to mention, you would see people just taking the best debuffs without much thought. Both melee would take Trick Attack, Battle Litany and Brotherhood because why not? One takes Slashing; the other Piercing. And now you have a revolving door of debuffs. Granted, Bards would adore 40 seconds of Battle Litany.

You mean people could play the job whose style they enjoy the most instead of having to pick jobs based on boosting everyone else?

Yeah, that'd be so awful.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You mean people could play the job whose style they enjoy the most instead of having to pick jobs based on boosting everyone else?

Yeah, that'd be so awful.

And each job would have to be tuned exactly the same. Now SAM, DRG, NIN and MNK all do the same damage. Yeah, that wouldn't be dull...

[Kabooa]

And each job would have to be tuned exactly the same. Now SAM, DRG, NIN and MNK all do the same damage. Yeah, that wouldn't be dull...

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/21#dataset=95

Yeah, look at how boring it is to play Samurai, Summoner, or Black Mage. They must all play exactly the same.

Oh man, Machinist and Dragoon, why even have the two of them.

Red Mage is basically a Ninja, literally no difference between them in playstyle.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/21#dataset=95

Yeah, look at how boring it is to play Samurai, Summoner, or Black Mage. They must all play exactly the same.

Oh man, Machinist and Dragoon, why even have the two of them.

Red Mage is basically a Ninja, literally no difference between them in playstyle.

And yet choosing a job would be entirely irrelevant. They all do exactly the same thing in this hypothetical. Everyone also takes Trick Attack, Battle Litany, Brotherhood, Dragon Sight and Shadewalker. Now we're right back to the failed role skill system virtually no one likes.

[Kabooa]

And yet choosing a job would be entirely irrelevant. They all do exactly the same thing in this hypothetical. Everyone also takes Trick Attack, Battle Litany, Brotherhood, Dragon Sight and Shadewalker. Now we're right back to the failed role skill system virtually no one likes.

Yeah, that's kind of the point of balance.

You get things so they're all doing the same thing but in different angles and mechanics. In this respect we're pretty close to that ideal. Damage ranges are already pretty close to one another, and most discrepancies are generally due to Aoe or Burst situations favoring one job over another, while dummy differences are generally because one guy brings nothing and the other guy brings Hypercharge.

This might be more meaningful if Raid Buffs weren't limited to "%more damage" or had more interesting interactions, but they don't.

[zuzu-bq]

Except they do just that. The group recruiting has ultimately made the decision, thus you opt to find another fitting your own criteria. Don't whine they aren't allowing a SAM. It's their choice as much as yours for electing to play that job.

You're not wrong. It has to be a common agreement between player and group. But people from both sides don't get that, as we see in this thread.

I myself love playing BLM, but am open to RDM and SMN for my team.