Lucky Bancho and NA raiding problems.

[AppleJinx]

Judging from the replies from this thread I think the reason for the NA population not raiding is pretty clear. People have a billion and one excuses for not wanting to go near raid content and very little to none of it has to do with themselves.

Most of these excuses just boils down to 'elitism' and everyone seems to have their own arbitrary definition of the word. Something doesn't goes their way? Elitism. Expecting them to have a competent understanding of their jobs before tackling currently the second hardest content in the game? Elitism. Using ACT and fflogs for self improvement, since it shows all of your actions in a single attempt of a boss? Using it to examine a fight closely such as which mechanics happens at what times and what times are the best for aligning buffs as well as healing and mitigation to maximize damage to a boss? Elitism. These tools are way more than just a parser but of course it's way easier to just unfairly slap a label on something they've never even used before then dismiss it forever.

At the start of 4.0, SE have made almost everything easier to play than ever before. From battle jobs to extreme trials, and savage raids, they have been more accessible than ever before since the goal behind this is to get as many people to attempt these content as possible. While I do understand that they may not appeal to every single active player in this game just like how I will probably never get into crafting/gathering side of the game, the difference is that you will never see me go around pretending I have some level of understanding of them and saying how much the those content suck and get mad at SE for putting more resources towards developing content I don't play.

It's not a coincidence that raiding related threads are always fastest growing threads on here. Every time one pops up it would garner 30+ replies in matters of hours and most of them are filled with people who never even touches raids making nonsensical to downright stupid accusations about the raiding scene in this game as well as seeking validation from the same type of players in the process. It's always funny to me that how these people claims to "not care" about raiding in this game and yet they are the same people who frequents these types of threads. If people have so much time to spend on threads going back and forth about something they "don't care" about, they'd certainly also have time to look up guides on jobs they enjoy playing as well as guides on the raids they plan on doing, both of which are very easy to find btw, and practice rotations from them, as much as they don't want to admit it, I am willing to bet they'd enjoy the game more that way.

[Sukocat]

I'd have to agree with whomever mentioned JP just having the upper hand when it comes to working as a group. Back when I played FFXI, I used to absolutely LOVE when I got into JP groups because I knew we were going to actually get things done. Their culture is based around striving to be great at what they do. They pride themselves on it, even. It's just a very different mindset than Western culture, particularly for NA. Over here, we have different priorities than JP does, which tend to focus around more capitalist ideals (generally speaking).

I truly don't think it's because NA has more 'bad players' than JP does. Like it's been said, I think it's more culturally established, and it's not something that's been limited to this game alone either.

[thegreatonemal]

NA and EU players are simply inconsistent and relies to way too much on statics. and the starts people use in na focus too much on uptime and not enough on just dropping the bosses hp from 100% to 0% within the 13 or so minutes you get per savage floor.

[RiyahArp]

Back when I played FFXI, I used to absolutely LOVE when I got into JP groups because I knew we were going to actually get things done..

Back when I played, NA were overall better. JP had a good thing in disbanding exp point parties at a set point instead of going till you couldn't find a rep, but NA usually were all around better players. JP were a little notorious for not liking westerners in their parties at all then, and you only got invited as key jobs like rdm at a last resort. There wasn't the same mystique with them here, mostly because at the time NA were a lot more hardcore than them; there wasn't really the casual aspect to MMOs at the time, and FFXI really weeded a lot of ppl out.

I mean, it wasn't really open warfare, but the two groups tended to not mingle. But I remember all the big HNM groups tended to be NA, because I think FFXI was really the first real MMO the JP had, while westerners were familiar with it, even console players.

[ImDingDing]

Its likely a cultural thing. You can clear raids in Raid Finder over there. Good luck doing that here.

NA community is very "Me, Me, Me" while the JP community tends to orient more towards the group.

You get a lot of NA players at 70 who can't even do the DPS people were able to do at 60. Its a lack of effort, lack of care, and lack of wanting to improve ones self. "I got through the content, so I must be good enough" seems to be the standard mindset over here.

This is not true, badies are bad here and there, actually JP PF average DPS of all jobs are lower than NA PF. The difference is JP PF stick for hours where NA players leave within 3 pulls. I don't think it's bad or good, just different cultural. JP bad players get carried through the content without improving their dps either. Ask anyone who played in savage content in JP PF about the healers' dps you will see what I mean.

[Moomba33]

I don't view lower NA clear rates as a problem personally.
Raids are there for players that enjoy progressing and challenging themselves while there's a wealth of other content available for players that prefer a more relaxed pace. If there's a difference between what content the JP and NA audiences are motivated to participate in and spend time on it isn't really a good or bad thing.

[SmokeyTheSequel]

I dont even bother raiding anymore. The desire is there but dealing with toxic spewing people now is just not worth the stress nor is it worth destroying friendships. I dont even bother doing EX primals because the duty finder if chocked full of horrible elitist people

[KaivaC]

Pretty sure I'm not gonna like what happens, opening this box of worms, but screw it. This thread started off talking about incentives and clear rates. So...

... What's with the bashing on the raid community?

[Awha]

Pretty sure I'm not gonna like what happens, opening this box of worms, but screw it. This thread started off talking about incentives and clear rates. So...

... What's with the bashing on the raid community?

People often bash what they do not understand, or have no interest in. I do not get it though the raiding community is like any other community you have your helpful, neutral, and asshats.

[giwaman]

Ikr probably the same ones that gives up after 3 wipes of every new savage tiers 1st turns and blame others for their inability to learn the whole concept mechanics etc etc...