We need another Housing purge

[Alleo]

Funny I am not greedy and I do care.

And where did I state that I meant you. There is one person in this thread that is knowingly greedy and they also use alts to post. So I meant them. (Maybe should have made this a bit clearer)

[Awha]

@Hamada: I think its best to just ignore them. They have their opinion and seemingly find nothing wrong with this. In the end such greed tells us a lot about a person and all we can do is hope that this thread got at least some attention of the GM and if not then those that are also on that server may now be at least warned about it.

Thing is how is it greedy to expect SE to give players a warning before dolling out punishments for "rules" they have not made an effort to enforce in the past?

@Hamada Know what really gets me would you have an issue if the houses were on different accounts owned by the one person? Cause people will do to great lengths to get something if they want it bad enough I created multiple accounts to get gold feathers quicker.

[Hamada]

Thing is how is it greedy to expect SE to give players a warning before dolling out punishments for "rules" they have not made an effort to enforce in the past?

You asked this before, you will get the same answer now.
People are warned when they agree to the ToS, it is a violation of 2.1.
Also your question is weird, what do you mean "how is it greedy to expect SE to give players a warning before dolling out punishments"? Alleo is referring to the defense of greed, defending acting immorally, Something you keep ignoring while you want to say to me "Refuse to give a straight answer" when you are not doing that yourself. What really gets me is you keep asking the same thing over and over again. I do not know how to answer your new question though since it makes no sense. I am here against someone bragging how they broke the ToS on the official form for the game, and teaching others how to do so, that is simply it.

[OliverB]

And I get that, but then why would Oliver (who is the person that owns all of them) go through the trouble of lying when there already enough heat on them for owning 22+ houses

You never addressed this. What exactly am I lying about?

[Awha]

I really do not even know how to reply to this post due to how much you twisted my words. I will try my best though. People know it is wrong to "find loopholes" and exploits to begin with, that is why this happened:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4611113
It is not "immoral" to own more then one house, stop twisting what my stance is. I do not CARE, about how many houses people own. What I care about is the means they obtained them and if it is done in a pure fair sense in the scope of the ToS and social order. Bragging about how someone exploited a rule on the official forum should not be tolerated as it teaches others how to act in an immoral manner. Why do you keep bringing up "owning more then one house" issue when that was never my stance? You can't "witch hunt" someone doing it to themselves. Stop repeating your self because you do not like my answers to your questions, and stop twisting what I stand for.

Ungarmax was a luttle different issue, even they mentioned that the initial players "actively concealed the existence of the bug" thus making SE go through countless amounts logs to put all the pieces together. They also made an official response on the forums regarding that issue. This loophole was brought up the day they announced the rules, even then one could assume it was working as intended since how else will SE be able to handle transferring ownership from inactive leadership.

[Hamada]

Ungarmax was a different issue, even they mentioned that the initial players "actively concealed the existence of the bug" thus making SE go through countless amounts logs to put all the pieces together. This loophole was brought up the day they announced the rules, even then one could assume it was working as intended since how else will SE be able to handle transferring ownership from inactive leadership.

I addressed all this in past posts, I asked you to stop repeating the same content in your posts and you keep doing it. You did not even explain or take back when I was trying to clear up what it stood for. So you shown others though implied messages the issues going on in this thread.

[Claviusnex]

This is true, but the outside of houses in the main areas is not instanced, which is why their might be a problem.

Actually the wards are instances as well they are just persistent instances. As you note therein lies their problem in that the wards take up system resources whether they are being used or not. The point I was trying to get across is FF XIV already has instanced housing so it shouldn't be a stretch to make houses fully instanced with an interior and exterior with an entry somewhere that has a little life to it. I think the only reason we don't is Yoshi has so much invested in trying to make the failing current system work it becomes a face saving issue not a technical one.

[NanaWiloh]

And where did I state that I meant you. There is one person in this greed that is knowingly greedy and they also use alts to post. So I meant them. (Maybe should have made this a bit clearer)

As one would say its

[Claviusnex]

There isnt a housing shortage. Most servers have tons of plots available. Houses have been increased from a few hundred now to about 4500 currently. The housing problem has been over since 4.3, the problem is the playerbase now. Totaly agree with you about instanced housing along with community involvement, however.

Question though : how was your " fairly boughten house " " stolen from the game" the only way to lose your house from the game is by not entering it within 45 days, which i sclearly documented in the games documentation for owning houses etc. This isn't the games fault, but whoever owns the house. If you lose it via auto demo, obviosuly you didnt care about it in the first place.

You are blaming the players for a problem created by SE due to a poor housing design that won't scale to meet demand and is only within SE's realm to resolve. It is not unreasonable for players to expect to be able to take a break and when they return to the game everything is as they left it. This is the way it is in all of the better known MMO's. Even FF XIV is meets this expectation with the exception of housing. The problem is not with the players or their expectations but with SE not meeting customer requirements. The best thing SE could do is create a parallel housing system that includes interiors and exteriors so that all players and FC's have access to a house along with its benefits. They could also add enough wards to meet the demand of one house per account per server. SE would either have to live with wasted resources on smaller servers or stop their requirement that all servers be identical in their configuration. In any event all of these solutions are SE's responsibility just as the housing problem is their responsibility.

[Kazgrel]

I said this same thing on the housing section and out right got attacked over it. Goblin got tons of houses (but Shiro) so when I said that the auto demo timer should be stopped on lower servers that have housing, few people freaked out on me like it was the end of the world lol

One issue would be “for how long?”, regarding the disabling of the auto demolish timer. Figure if people do find it enough of a perk to go to lower pop servers like ours that in time we wouldn’t be so low pop, but homeowners here would have a huge peace of mind advantage over homeowners elsewhere.