We need another Housing purge

[Dyvid]

Actually the wards are instances as well they are just persistent instances. As you note therein lies their problem in that the wards take up system resources whether they are being used or not. The point I was trying to get across is FF XIV already has instanced housing so it shouldn't be a stretch to make houses fully instanced with an interior and exterior with an entry somewhere that has a little life to it. I think the only reason we don't is Yoshi has so much invested in trying to make the failing current system work it becomes a face saving issue not a technical one.

Nothing is going to fix the problem because of how the game is fundamentally designed, ward or no ward. FFXIV is a very heavy instance game and there is only so much resources that can go around. They had to place a cap on Housing System as to not interfere with other things like raids, dungeons, and even worlds in general.

Sadly new players are used to picking heavily populated worlds because that is how it worked in other MMOs and find themselves at a disadvantage because FFXIV really doesn't work like that. Games like WoW focus more on worlds and with little instance content. Then you have people who don't just want access to the housing system, but a mansion on the hill and can't fathom to settle with an apartment or small house.

P.S. I think that the wards share data with world servers which is why there is still the 30 item cap while interior item cap was doubled.

[Awha]

Contrary to what you may think, I do understand where you are coming from. I also wish SE would enforce their ToS more consistently, where we differ is you put the blame on the players, and SE. I put all the blame on SE for being lazy. To be frank it may be annoying to see, but I do not blame the players for taking advantage of lax rule enforcement. Rules are put in place to help facilitate order yet without enforcement of said rules mean nothing if they are not enforced consistently. Nevertheless, I am not okay with SE punishing players retroactively for rule breaks because they had a change of heart. Give players a warning that moving forward such actions will no longer be tolerated. In short the rule itself is only one part of the puzzle. I am not against people enforcing rules, what I am against is people seeking punishment for actions that have seemingly been ignored by those upholding the rules. One the kicker of all this is that the action itself is not against the rules you are upset about how they were obtained fair enough but once again what should be done about the players that have obtained an extra FC plot due passing of ownership, either by choice or inactivity. What reasonable solution does SE have.

Realistically the advantages for having multiple FC houses due to the amenities they offer is a tough thing to pass up if maximizing earning ability is something you are interested in. If this is a real issue for SE they should just remove attaching such benefits from FC houses. Either way if half this effort went into holding SE accountable instead targeting players maybe something would change.

[Claviusnex]

Nothing is going to fix the problem because of how the game is fundamentally designed, ward or no ward. FFXIV is a very heavy instance game and their is only so much resources that can go around. They had to place a cap on Housing System as to not interfere with other things like raids, dungeons, and even worlds in general. Sadly new players are used to picking heavily populated worlds because that is how it worked in other MMOs and find themselves at a disadvantage because FFXIV really doesn't work like that. Then you have people who don't just want access to the housing system, but a mansion on the hill and can't fathom to settle with an apartment or small house.

P.S. I think that the wards share data with world servers which is why there is still the 30 item cap while interior item cap was doubled.

Yes it is because the exteriors are part of the persistent ward instance that they set the outdoor item limit (20 for a small). By having a fully instanced house they could assign housing to a server pool that could grow or shrink as load demand changes. This same pool could be cross server further maximizing resources. As I've said the interiors themselves are already instanced and while I admit I haven't seen the code I highly doubt that is the part that really constricts resources. Using some conjecture towards some of Yoshi's past comments the apartments are already fully instanced with the lobby being the entrance. It shouldn't be hard to expand that concept to a full interior and exterior house but place the entrance near the market areas of the capital cities. It should even make adding new housing areas to capitals easier (anyone for Ishgard) by providing a common interface. Having an entrance in the market areas will also be more lively than the common dead ward you see on most servers.

[Skivvy]

While I am totally for instanced housing, I am a bit concerned about SE's server stability with the amount of instances it would create. I could be totally wrong (I know nothing about coding, servers, any of the things that seem to constantly fail with XIV), but I imagine they'd really have to beef things up to make it work.

I think many of here remember Raubahn Savage mode, or the times where we couldn't even get into our houses due to all the people hiding in them (when the afk-kick was alive and well).

In a perfect world, I'd love to see them take a big chunk of the funds they are receiving from the cash cow known as XIV, and put it back into the actual infrastructure. I'm tired of hearing that the servers will implode if they add more customization, or why they can't fix housing. I'm sure many other things can be blamed on that as well.

[Awha]

Yes, SE should allocate a larger portion of the profits made by FFXIV into FFXIV itself not just marketing.

[NanaWiloh]

Not breaking the rules? You are making excuses again. Know why things never change most of the time in the real world? Because you let silly laws, and silly rules, that are either unfair, or makes no sense, dictate what you can and cannot do. Thats why we live in a world of cowards who rather snivel and make up excuses, instead of finding like-minded individuals, rising up, and doing something about it.

Stop making excuses. If anyone wants something to change, then man up, and do something about it. I also dont have time to read the posts of defeatists like yourself, save for what I cherry pick out of to find silly suggestions such as, "Keep this thread alive to be noticed" or "Start a petition".

Guess what cupcake? Most of the time, it does not work. Why? Because it depends on what kind of change it details. The Magitek armor playing Terra's theme request for example? That was granted upon many threads posted for it because it would be easy to do, cost very little, and would make everyone happy.

The change people want with removing multiple housing from multiple potential players? Can cause backlash, will take resources to do because they would have to put in some sort of compensation, and generally, any petitions or 1000 page thread, providing the moderators let it get that far, will be completely ignored. I will not be surprised if the moderators nip this thread soon once it becomes more toxic.

Once again, you are making excuses, and using defeatist logic to propose ideas that do not, will not work.

So I say once again, man up, stop taking the defeatist passive approach that isn't going to work, find likeminded individuals and do something active that WILL get attention, such as the ideas I gave before. Otherwise, every single one of you may as well just stop complaining, and deal with it. Because the game has had this problem for years, thus showing no amount of complaining on here is going to work. Know what people didnt try to do? Man up and do what I proposed.

Oh and before you ask, I gotten a Large house I took from a guy who had multiple Larges, before the changes. How? Well lets just say, I took my own advice, did something about it, and ended up paying just the plot price for it.

Manup or Deal with it.

/golfclap

This community as it stands has not put forth half the needed effort to bring about the changes they want. When the community actually tries and fails then Ill conceed to breaking some rules not before then.

[Awha]

Both extremes voiced in this thread are kind of scary.

[NanaWiloh]

Both extremes voiced in this thread are kind of scary.

I appologize for my end. But telling the community to break the rules to force a change, when it struggles too encourage changes through a positive light is the same as giving up. I removed the most aggressive part of my post and left what I feel is important.

[Awha]

I appologize for my end. But telling the community to break the rules to force a change, when it struggles too encourage changes through a positive light is the same as giving up. I removed the most aggressive part of my post and left what I feel is important.

I apologize I should have expanded further. I 100% agree with you. The extremes I was referring to was the person who you were responding to and the person that feels breaking a rule that is not really a rule or a rule that is not actively enforced should be punishable. Both would negatively impact many players that got caught in the crossfire.

I am sorry did not mean to imply what you said was harsh, it was 100% true. People tend to go about seeking change in odd ways.

[NanaWiloh]

Ending my time on this thread. Bye