We need another Housing purge

[Zale]

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I have a question for you, why do you keep repeating yourself? You literally post the same stuff, post outdated links in attempts to back yourself up so you can get ego points from it, people reply back with their opinions on it, yet you are still stubborn and feel so insecure about this topic. I feel sorry for you due to the simple fact that you care so much about a video game and about people having different opinions than you. Chill my dude. Walk outside, taste the fresh air.

[Zale]

I am not talking about those that were grandfathered in, the method of transferring ownership from one player to another was brought up when they announced the changes. In short if SE really paid attention to feedback they would have now about said loophole. That is more or less what they did they transferred ownership of an FC that had a plot. You make it seem like what the person did is a new thing, nah it is not.

Thank you, that is exactly right. They act like they're some top secret agent gamer who hides in the shadows and feels good about themselves when they feel like they discover something new, but in fact, has been around for months. Maybe SE cared then, but that Youtube link was in 2016. If they truly cared now, they would've spoke up.

[Hamada]

I have a question for you, why do you keep repeating yourself? You literally post the same stuff, post outdated links in attempts to back yourself up so you can get ego points from it, people reply back with their opinions on it, yet you are still stubborn and feel so insecure about this topic. I feel sorry for you due to the simple fact that you care so much about a video game. Chill my dude. Walk outside, taste the fresh air.

I am only repeating myself because people are making me? I mean if they do not understand what I am saying, I am going to try a different way to make it clear. So I am trying my best to make it clear what I mean. Trying to pull "it is just a game" is not an excuse to both act in an immoral way and a way that outright break an agreement when you first make your account for the game.

Awha, you said that before, i addressed it several times. SE not listening to the NA player base is a different issue, that is no excuse to break 2.1. Yes it should be punished. People that did that knew it was wrong, and did it anyway. They did it for greed, selfish gain, there is no room for defense. It is no different then the limit break situation, despite your attempts at a semantics argument in claiming it was.

[Awha]

I am only repeating myself because people are making me? I mean if they do not understand what I am saying, I am going to try a different way to make it clear. So I am trying my best to make it clear what I mean. Trying to pull "it is just a game" is not an excuse to both act in an immoral way and a way that outright break an agreement when you first make your account for the game.

Awha, you said that before, i addressed it several times. SE not listening to the NA player base is a different issue, that is no excuse to break 2.1. Yes it should be punished. People that did that knew it was wrong, and did it anyway. They did it for greed, selfish gain, there is no room for defense. It is no different then the limit break situation, despite your attempts at a semantics argument in claiming it was.

Nah it is different from the Ungarmax issue people that used it first did everything in their power to keep it secret, the ownership loophole was brought to SE's attention before the rules event went live, yet they made the choice to ignore it. No the players should not be punished for SE lack of inaction, they should be warned that moving forward they will be taking action against those that use the loophole, but those that did should not be punished for past actions during a time SE was not enforcing the rules. Though don't you find it strange that if this was such a major issue like the Ungarmax they would also make an extremely detailed official forum response. I do not think I have seen one of those yet.

I agree that it is greedy, and I will agree that the only reason I have multiple plots is due to greed. In terms of morality given the context this seems like a morally neutral subject at best, since the law in question (SE) have not acted on it. As you said someone even mentioned how to go about doing it and this thread has yet to get an official response and it is 37 pages long. Sort of supports the claim that SE feels this is a non-issue issue. Either way please understand I am all for SE enforcing their rules, I just do not agree with punishing a player for something SE was made aware of. It is on SE for not taking action when it was brought to their attention. Warn the person in question, and make an offical post that is states their intent clear and what they will be doing as enforcement going forward. By no means should they be punished or lose their plots for taking advantage of a loophole that the community brought up in the feedback when it came the housing rules.

[OliverB]

I have a question for you, why do you keep repeating yourself? You literally post the same stuff, post outdated links in attempts to back yourself up so you can get ego points from it, people reply back with their opinions on it, yet you are still stubborn and feel so insecure about this topic. I feel sorry for you due to the simple fact that you care so much about a video game and about people having different opinions than you. Chill my dude. Walk outside, taste the fresh air.

It's pretty sad. He's never been able to provide any explanations to his claims other than bring up outdated rules, a chunk of the ToS that doesn't specify anything and an old translation from a stream.

[Paladinleeds]

yeah someone dressed up to make it sound like it is a faked live letter rolls eyes

Live Letter is only spotted by a subset of players. Thus it wouldn't be enough to treat it as official. A rule change NEEDS to be implemented in game. Notice how I said for most of the playerbase. Sure, it's official enough for you, but you're not most of the playerbase, and given these live letters only get a medium percentage (presumably, since there could be a lot of viewers of people who don't play XIV but just have a passing interest in it) of the playerbase viewing it, that's why I say it won't be enough. Haven't got the stats to say for definite though. Lodestone (aka launcher by default due to how the lodestone feed syncs) = it's thrown in every player's face. THAT is why I said a live letter video isn't enough. And guess what, say what you will, you will NOT sway me on this. I'm digging my heels in here.

[Hamada]

I have a question for you, why do you keep repeating yourself? You literally post the same stuff, post outdated links in attempts to back yourself up so you can get ego points from it, people reply back with their opinions on it, yet you are still stubborn and feel so insecure about this topic. I feel sorry for you due to the simple fact that you care so much about a video game. Chill my dude. Walk outside, taste the fresh air.

I am only repeating myself because people are making me? I mean if they do not understand what I am saying, I am going to try a different way to make it clear. So I am trying my best to make it clear what I mean. Trying to pull "it is just a game" is not an excuse to both act in an immoral way and a way that outright break an agreement when you first make your account for the game.

Awha, you said that before, i addressed it several times. SE not listening to the NA player base is a different issue, that is no excuse to break 2.1. Yes it should be punished. People that did that knew it was wrong, and did it anyway. They did it for greed, selfish gain, there is no room for defense. It is no different then the limit break situation, despite your attempts at a semantics argument in claiming it was different.

Live Letter is only spotted by a subset of players. Thus it wouldn't be enough to treat it as official. A rule change NEEDS to be implemented in game. Notice how I said for most of the playerbase. Sure, it's official enough for you, but you're not most of the playerbase, and given these live letters only get a medium percentage (presumably, since there could be a lot of viewers of people who don't play XIV but just have a passing interest in it) of the playerbase viewing it, that's why I say it won't be enough. Haven't got the stats to say for definite though. Lodestone (aka launcher by default due to how the lodestone feed syncs) = it's thrown in every player's face. THAT is why I said a live letter video isn't enough. And guess what, say what you will, you will NOT sway me on this. I'm digging my heels in here.

That is a different issue you need to tell SE about, that is not an excuse to defend someone posting how they broke the ToS on these forums. It is also not an excuse to defend those that act selfishly with the intent of harming others. Everyone signs this agreement when they make an account:
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
This makes it VERY CLEAR you should not be finding "loopholes" or exploits in the rules to do harm to others and act in immoral ways. Despite being shown otherwise, like that video I shown, there is a player that is posting here, explaining to others to also break the ToS by telling people they should buy a FC house over personal to resell it. If you claim people can't be punished for not being babied, what is my reward for following it? It is not fair for me to hear such excuses because if i have enough sense to know why exploiting these rules are wrong, everyone should. They know it is wrong, they are scrabbling to find excuses not to be punished for it, that is all this is.

[illgot]

You can expect it all you want, more likely what will happen is the players will be grandfathered into a new set of rules still getting to keep their plots. Also each situation is not the same, the LB was reported to SE but no action was taken think it was because the report got lost. Regarding the housing loophole threads were riddled with comments as to how people will end up selling FC's instead of plots. People also brought up the concern regarding inactive FC's and ownership transferring. The LB issue was kept secret by those that found it, the possibility of the housing loophole was posted the day the rules were announced.

The housing rule was so obvious but what else could SE do in case an FC leader stopped playing? It is also a common feature in MMOs that if a guild leader abandons their guild, who ever is either next up on the ladder or logs in first takes over. In SWTOR I have 4 different guilds on my alts just because the guilds quit playing.

Transferring FCs is not an exploit.

[NanaWiloh]

The housing rule was so obvious but what else could SE do in case an FC leader stopped playing? It is also a common feature in MMOs that if a guild leader abandons their guild, who ever is either next up on the ladder or logs in first takes over. In SWTOR I have 4 different guilds on my alts just because the guilds quit playing.

Transferring FCs is not an exploit.

I personally have just given up on explainging that FC transferring is not and has never been exploit. Selling plots or buying plots from a seller is againt the TOS, but Transferring leadership of FC's with homes is not againt the tos. Even if the accounts involved with the transfer belong to the same person its not againt the TOS. But I like said it has become pointless to try and explain it :P

[Awha]

The housing rule was so obvious but what else could SE do in case an FC leader stopped playing? It is also a common feature in MMOs that if a guild leader abandons their guild, who ever is either next up on the ladder or logs in first takes over. In SWTOR I have 4 different guilds on my alts just because the guilds quit playing.

Transferring FCs is not an exploit.

It is a loophole since I am sure the transferring ownership function was not intended to be used that way, but alas it has been. I got an extra FC plot due to inactivity. All I was saying that if SE wanted to make enforce the 1 FC per account they would have to make an official statement stating that X will no longer be tolerated and moving forward if we are able to find proof of intentionally using X as a means to gain an advantage appropriate actions will be taken.

That is all am saying. My issue how Hamada wants to retroactively punish players for a loophole the community made SE aware of. I just went with Hamada calling it an exploit because even if SE did deem it was an exploit since players are using the feature not as intended, it would still be unfair to punish players for said action retroactively.