It would be nice not to be hated

[Zerathor]

People that care about parse runs... tend to notice when their own parse loses some hundreds of DPS because they aren't getting buffs. They're looking at their own historical data more than the DPS of others in their party.

People who are doing good parse runs, typically avoid pf in the first place.
Besides, which spells crit/dhcrit and where your procs are at typically weighed in much more significantly than party buffs for me. Or which cards your astro draws. Dps drifting 100 or so isn't that unexpected.

[Risvertasashi]

People who are doing good parse runs, typically avoid pf in the first place.
Besides, which spells crit/dhcrit and where your procs are at typically weighed in much more significantly than party buffs for me. Or which cards your astro draws. Dps drifting 100 or so isn't that unexpected.

People that have a meta static, sure. There definitely seems to be a lot of people that don't, though, and so must rely on PF.

And, yeah, BLM isn't going to benefit from the many physical-only (de)buffs.

[Zerathor]

People that have a meta static, sure. There definitely seems to be a lot of people that don't, though, and so must rely on PF.

And, yeah, BLM isn't going to benefit from the many physical-only (de)buffs.

Battle voice, foe, bard crit aura, battle litany, eye tether, trick attack, chain, ballance, arrow, contagion, ect. All effect blm. There are very few phys only debuffs and they're just flat target weaknesses that are always on

[HyoMinPark]

People that have a meta static, sure. There definitely seems to be a lot of people that don't, though, and so must rely on PF.

And, yeah, BLM isn't going to benefit from the many physical-only (de)buffs.

There are only two raid buffs that only affect physical damage: Brotherhood and Embolden. BLM benefits from all other major raid buffs that Zerathor listed.

[Wyvernheart]

All these cry baby buffs Sam gets... go to bed! Go to sleep sam!

[Risvertasashi]

There are only two raid buffs that only affect physical damage: Brotherhood and Embolden. BLM benefits from all other major raid buffs that Zerathor listed.

Oh, didn't notice some of the debuffs where changed to universal vulnerabilities.

All the same, the effects of raid (de)buffs is quite significant on some jobs, with potential to lose far more than 100 DPS.

[Zerathor]

Oh, didn't notice some of the debuffs where changed to universal vulnerabilities.

All the same, the effects of raid (de)buffs is quite significant on some jobs, with potential to lose far more than 100 DPS.

Nah, really one of those utility jobs messing up is only about 100 dps on one dps. Even the coveted trick attack only adds 400-600ish to the entire raid, that's split among all 8 members. Of course dps take a higher chunk of said 600 but tanks take a fair share. That can be easily overlooked and you might blame it on bad rng or something, but if you see a blm/sam 500 dps lower than they should be, you know instantly, and thus why people find it easier to form a stigma against them.

Most of the people you'll find in pf are trash, but it's only clearly visible when it's a pure dps job.

[zuzu-bq]

BLM is fine as it is as long as players trying to clear things early understand SMN and RDM are superior in making progression faster.

SAM actually doesn't hinder prog as much people think so. It will hunder prog as much as a DRG will when they're replacing NIN and/or MNK which are melees with tools to fasten progression. So I think SAM hate for progression is a bit biased because its a weaker job in speedrunning and maximum party damage standards.

You'll see good groups clearing early understanding the power of some skills for progression running MNK for mantra, NIN for aggro tools and RDM/SMN for raise. Outside of this scenario, if you aren't speedrunning, blaming other people for their job choice makes no sense but to try to make them play something that makes your own personal damage higher.

Yes, every job can clear content. Some make the clear come faster. In savage you can kind of play whatever you want, the big impact from party compositions only really shows on Ultimates nowadays.

Most of the people you'll find in pf are trash, but it's only clearly visible when it's a pure dps job.

This is so much true. It's easier to percieve players being bad at pure number outputting jobs like SAM BLM WHM.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

As I mentioned earlier, the dislike of Samurai and Black Mage stem from their singular contribution. Unlike any other job, they only offer raw damage. Even an average Samurai offers significantly less than an average Dragoon. I suspect a lot of people blocking selfish DPS jobs have dealt with poor performance and would rather gamble at least getting some utility in lieu of literally nothing. It doesn't help neither bring enough damage to justify their lack of utility. While Black Mage is in a better place, it's still weaker than Summoner by a noticeable merge. And Samurai doesn't come close to upsetting any of the three melee.

Can they all clear? Of course. That doesn't mean PF will necessarily care nor will they be a popular static choice.

[Zerathor]

While Black Mage is in a better place, it's still weaker than Summoner by a noticeable merge.

Smn is only more popular due to their raise. Black mage is ahead of them on dps while adding in smn's total dps contribution on pretty much any fight outside of a few niche fights. It should be a much larger gap though. I mean lets face it, if they didn't have a raise, you'd probably take a mch for standard clears, or a rdm for prog instead.