Gender Bias in Character Creation

[GetFoesReqd]

Like a baby's arm holding an apple.

[HyoMinPark]

Bah. Why is this thread back?

[Souljacker]

Bah. Why is this thread back?

It's definitely not what I expected when I opened it. I don't see how not having a slider to make the 'bulge' bigger is in any way gender bias, either. Stuff like this makes it that much harder to talk about REAL gender bias in content. RP your massive crotch if it makes you happy. The chest slider for women isn't really all that great anyway. It just lets us balance our characters out a little visually. I can't think of a single male model that would be balanced out better by having a larger or smaller penis bulge.

[RiyahArp]

There's a pretty big fallacy among feminists, in which this thread is an example of.

Essentially, what you do is take the male way or experience in do something, and flip it exactly over to apply it to women, and call it equality. Like men love watching big breasts, so women must love watching big packages, right? But they don't get that men and women act differently, so this stuff doesn't really work and can actually hurt. A lot of this kind of view is a weird form of male primacy; like we define everything by the male experience and parity is obtained by letting women act like men instead. We want more women in STEM but at the same time devalue work women actually like to do.

Not to say its entirely binary, but i think alot of pushback for this kind of ideas is conscious or unconscious realization of this.

[LineageRazor]

We want more women in STEM but at the same time devalue work women actually like to do.

I agree with most of what you said, but I think it's odd to suggest that STEM isn't work that women actually like to do. I seriously doubt there's anything hard-wired into women's minds that disincline them toward math and engineering and such - at least no more than for humans in general. I find it far more likely that the lack of women in these fields is because it's traditionally "men's territory", and women, even if inclined to partake, feel out of place (or are MADE to feel out of place by close-minded men).

The recent push to try to get women into STEM is not to try to make them "like men", but to eliminate the ridiculous notion that STEM is a "men" thing in the first place.

[MoroMurasaki]

I agree with most of what you said, but I think it's odd to suggest that STEM isn't work that women actually like to do. I seriously doubt there's anything hard-wired into women's minds that disincline them toward math and engineering and such - at least no more than for humans in general. I find it far more likely that the lack of women in these fields is because it's traditionally "men's territory", and women, even if inclined to partake, feel out of place (or are MADE to feel out of place by close-minded men).

The recent push to try to get women into STEM is not to try to make them "like men", but to eliminate the ridiculous notion that STEM is a "men" thing in the first place.

This is actually a really interesting thing to look into. I don't particularly want to open this can of worms but I will say I thought the same way you do here until I dug a bit deeper and actually got into some of the science surrounding the discussion. Ironic, I know xD

But yeah, if this sort of thing interests you the internet offers some interesting reads.

[Reinha]

I agree with most of what you said, but I think it's odd to suggest that STEM isn't work that women actually like to do. I seriously doubt there's anything hard-wired into women's minds that disincline them toward math and engineering and such - at least no more than for humans in general.

I don't think it's odd at all. Apparently, if you arrange countries based on how equal men and women are, the more equal the society the more differences there are in occupational choices between men and women. Women go into STEM less in countries with more equality.

Either there is somehow the most social obstacles to doing "men's work" in the most equal places on Earth (which I seriously doubt), or women on average prefer to do different work from men when social security and other systems in place allow more freedom to choose one's occupation. The latter seems more likely to me, but that doesn't mean there are huge differences between the way men and women think. Some small differences just show up when you look for them in large scale statistics.

[Recaldy]

"Why does SE never listen to the western audience!?"

More or less.

[Remyogic]

I seriously doubt there's anything hard-wired into women's minds that disincline them toward math and engineering and such - at least no more than for humans in general.

To believe this statement, you'd have to completely disregard decades of scientific and psychological research that men are naturally more inclined to be logic based thinkers and women are more abstract based thinkers.

This doesn't apply to EVERY woman of course, but it is a general fact of genetics.

[KeyboardFacerollname]

If it has the same jiggle physics as breasts then that slider automatically goes to the max.

Just a bunch of pantsless guys running around with their junk wongling about.

Like Final Fantasy was meant to be.