Now that SMN have Bahamut can we have the others?

[TheMightyMollusk]

And I hate Perform. And I'm a BRD main. Perform is even a bigger waste of time than.. well anything. Only 0.001% of players use that. Luckily though, it is Soken and his team who create Perform since it's all musical. It doesn't use resources from the battle team.

Instead the battle team makes Ultimate fights, which the majority of the player base will never complete.

[Ekimmak]

I sort of figured that Shiva would count as any summon because she has her whole stances system in the actual fight: she has sword and shield for tanking, the ice rod for casting... what she lacks is melee, but you could just use the sword only, or the bow for that.

[Limecat]

Adding new full-capability egis would only amount to bloat, but the glamours for Shiva/Ramuh/Leviathan should have been up and running years ago.

[BillyKaplan]

Instead the battle team makes Ultimate fights, which the majority of the player base will never complete.

This. If we want to go with how many players play what, we could remove tanks from the game, I feel like. But this game likes to cater to niches, and regardless of how one feels about any certain job-exclusive content, the fact remains that it's there.
I don't think we're getting new summons, and anyone who's hoping for it should really lower their expectations. But egi glamours are whole different ball-game where they don't have to add new battle logic, just animations. Plus it's one of those things they dug themselves a hole by promising, so there's also that.

[Emstidor]

They invest a shit-ton of time into Perform. There's a debate to be had about cost vs. effect for either system (Perform vs. SMN glamours), but it's not like they haven't invested in "just the one job" before. And Perform keeps getting updates.

Perform wasn't really done for Bard's sake though, by dev accounts Perform was developed more or less to see whether they could, and then when they realized they could implement it, decided it worked best as a job action for the song-playing class.

Even if they do decide to look into doing more stuff with primals, there's no guarantee they'd bolt it onto the Summoner class as opposed to some other game mechanic. Just take a look at magicite finding its way into HoH.

[Nestama]

Instead the battle team makes Ultimate fights, which the majority of the player base will never complete.

One of the battle teams worked on Ultimate. One team worked on Binding Coils Ultimate and another team worked on Ultima Ultimate (and from how it sounds, it seems to just be one person who is designing all of the mechanics and such, since they seem to take all the credit). Only new things going into Ultimate are mechanics (mostly reused, some new) some attacks (most are reused. Some are new) and a stage.

[RiyahArp]

it really makes you marvel at FFXI more when you realize FFXI could give you full size versions of carby, ifrit, garuda, titan, fenrir, ramuh, and diabolos. A game that worked on a ps2.

Idk what new egis would even add, only titan really has any extra role that removing the egi and putting the abilities on the hotbar wouldn't be ok.

[CorbinDallas]

These are two great examples for why they probably won't do that - Tsukuyomi - and Shiva - were only summoned into host bodies, we don't know if they can be summoned on their own, same goes for Susano. Now, Susano at least was said to be a Primal, but Byakko isn't. There's no lore reason for us to be able to summon him. And it's this nitpicking - you can summon this but can't summon that for some arbitrary reason - why they're not going to give us more.

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

[BillyKaplan]

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

Tsukuyoki began fading when Yotsuyu's determination/grief wavered despite there being enough crystals for her to power up after the adds phase. I'm not saying they can't go "well yeah but you can still summon an egi if you wanted", just that they have a good case of also saying "but those are too complicated" and hiding behind it.

Moot point either way though, Byakko and whatever other Four Lords we'll fight still cement the point I was trying to make.

[Nestama]

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

I don't think so... Shiva was only able to be summoned because Ysayle believed she was the reincarnation Shiva (and if we summon Shiva, then it's disrespecting both Hraesvelgr and Ysayle). The other one I don't think can even be summoned at all unless we have that mirror (and honestly, why would anyone want to summon a heartless monster?). That's just the full forms, though.