Class reform on DoL & DoH

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Both disciplines will be adjusted so that they learn their abilities by leveling up, but actions and abilities will only see the following adjustments ("Fingerprints of the Gods" will still be learned via a quest):

• Actions related to eluding enemies will be removed (such as Seedkin Eluder).
  These actions will become useless with the implementation of Stealth, so we decided to remove them.
• "Wrist Flick" will be learned at level 10 instead of level 2.

The ability to purchase actions, abilities and treatises using guild tokens will be removed and guild tokens can no longer be used (edited at 4:28pm for clarity). Since it won't be possible to purchase treatises, they will no longer be included in recipes. In addition, purchased actions, abilities and treatises will be able to be returned in exchange for guild tokens at their respective guild.

Please note that we are still looking into future uses for guild tokens. We will let you know once we finalize a decision.

It's obtained through a quest, so they would have to revamp the quests to make this possible, is what I'm saying.
It has nothing to do with level, other than the level you can do the quest, in which case, unless a new quest, you have already done it.

See bold.

Yes, it does. You have it backwards. It has nothing to do with quests it has everything to do with leveling.

[Vorn]

See bold.

Yes, it does. You have it backwards. It has nothing to do with quests it has everything to do with leveling.

To some one hasn't leveled it, yes.....
But this is mostly about the people 36and upish......

And after 36, the next ability is 45.

So no... It's not about leveling, it's already leveled

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

To some one hasn't leveled it, yes.....
But this is mostly about the people 36and upish......

And after 36, the next ability is 45.

So no... It's not about leveling, it's already leveled

Wow.

/10character

[Vorn]

Wow.

/10character

You do realize you can get a rank 50 craft without ever doing a quest? But theN you wouldn't have the ability now, or after 1.20. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. For a rank 50 ability made obtained by a quest, I doubt it's going to be the same lvl 36 quest IF they revamped the quests..... Which would be the only way to keep it rank 50 ( learned)

But as I already said, they are refundable, and you can't return something you don't have, so either it's going to just stay the same, or become a required rank 50 instead of optimal. This wouldn't stop you from using this on the craft you actually got it for, provided they don't make them craft specific.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

You do realize you can get a rank 50 craft without ever doing a quest? But theN you wouldn't have the ability now, or after 1.20. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. For a rank 50 ability made obtained by a quest, I doubt it's going to be the same lvl 36 quest IF they revamped the quests..... Which would be the only way to keep it rank 50 ( learned)

But as I already said, they are refundable, and you can't return something you don't have, so either it's going to just stay the same, or become a required rank 50 instead of optimal. This wouldn't stop you from using this on the craft you actually got it for, provided they don't make them craft specific.

You are just making it more complicated than it needs to be. You are right, thank you. It isn't a hard concept to grasp.

Treatises are refundable because they were abolished.
Actions are refundable because Eluding has been abolished.
Abilities are being refunded because they are no longer purchasable and are now level dependent.

If you've purchased them and are not the level required to gain the ability under the new changes, this is where that instance applies. Also, quests had little to do with gaining the abilities. They were just a requirement needed to unlock their purchase. What exactly would they need to "revamp" in the quest when it didn't involve the abilities in question?

Are we talking about the same thing? Do you even know what the discussion is?