Class reform on DoL & DoH

[Saomai]

I apologize if I have missed the information anywhere.

I understand that YoshiP and company decided to work on DoH & DoL later, but does that mean that abilities of these two disciples will be changed (like class exclusives), and will be learned automatically?

If the abilities will be learned automatically as in the cases of DoM and DoW, then I may not want to make/spend guild points at this point lest being wasted.

Anybody knows?

[Duuude007]

Guild marks until further notice will not be necessary to learn abilities, only class level. We do not know whether marks will serve any function; They are depending on our feedback to help decide on what function (if any) they may serve in the future.

[Bayohne]

This is a bit late, but I have some info to share in regards to the class reforms as they pertain to Disciples of the Hand and Land.

Both disciplines will be adjusted so that they learn their abilities by leveling up, but actions and abilities will only see the following adjustments ("Fingerprints of the Gods" will still be learned via a quest):

• Actions related to eluding enemies will be removed (such as Seedkin Eluder).
  These actions will become useless with the implementation of Stealth, so we decided to remove them.
• "Wrist Flick" will be learned at level 10 instead of level 2.

The ability to purchase actions, abilities and treatises using guild marks will be removed and guild tokens can no longer be used (edited at 4:28pm for clarity). Since it won't be possible to purchase treatises, they will no longer be included in recipes. In addition, purchased actions, abilities and treatises will be able to be returned in exchange for guild marks at their respective guild.

Please note that we are still looking into future uses for guild marks. We will let you know once we finalize a decision.

[Rentahamster]

So does that mean that the Hand of the Gods, Assemble, Perfection, and all my other lovely skills that I earned are going to vanish? I would like to be able to keep them.

[Rentahamster]

Both disciplines will be adjusted so that they learn their abilities by leveling up

Actions, abilities and treatises purchased using guild tokens will be removed and can no longer be used

So to clarify does this mean that a skill like Hand of the Gods will be removed completely? Or will I learn it through leveling up?

If I so learn it through leveling up, do I learn it at

level 36 - the level that is required to purchase Hand of the Gods

or

level 50 - the optimal level for Hand of the Gods

?

If patch 1.20 comes around and I not longer have Hand of the Gods, that kinda goes back on what Yoshida said about not erasing progress.

[normalforce]

This is a bit late, but I have some info to share in regards to the class reforms as they pertain to Disciples of the Hand and Land.

Both disciplines will be adjusted so that they learn their abilities by leveling up, but actions and abilities will only see the following adjustments ("Fingerprints of the Gods" will still be learned via a quest):

• Actions related to eluding enemies will be removed (such as Seedkin Eluder).
  These actions will become useless with the implementation of Stealth, so we decided to remove them.
• "Wrist Flick" will be learned at level 10 instead of level 2.

Actions, abilities and treatises purchased using guild tokens will be removed and can no longer be used. Since it won't be possible to purchase treatises, they will no longer be included in recipes. In addition, purchased actions, abilities and treatises will be able to be returned in exchange for guild tokens at their respective guild.

Please note that we are still looking into future uses for guild tokens. We will let you know once we finalize a decision.

It's probably too late for this to effect anything, and I'm not sure if it was mentioned before, but I'd be happy using guild tokens to "buy" special quests or tasks for a specific class. DoL could use tokens to buy treasure maps to bountiful nodes, DoH could get special orders which boils down to fulfilling a certain number of orders of a certain quality within a set time limit, while DoW/DoM could get special leves. The rewards and exp gained for all of these could be double the normal amount, giving people incentives to do them.

[Bayohne]

Sorry, to clarify, the ability to purchase them will be removed, since they will be learned via leveling up. I made that edit before submitting, but I can see how it's confusing. Changed the sentence to read: "The ability to purchase actions, abilities and treatises using guild tokens will be removed and guild tokens can no longer be used" - how's that?

[Lauro]

Sorry, to clarify, the ability to purchase them will be removed, since they will be learned via leveling up. I made that edit before submitting, but I can see how it's confusing. Changed the sentence to read: "The ability to purchase actions, abilities and treatises using guild tokens will be removed and guild tokens can no longer be used" - how's that?

a little bit better , but the question mean WHAT ABOUT THOSE who alredy have those skill ?? what will happend to them ??

[Rentahamster]

Will I run into a situation like I posited above where I have already purchased a guildmark skill, but come 1.20 I don't have it anymore since the I'm too low level for it?

Basically, if Hand of the Gods is learned at level 36 Alchemist or earlier, I will still have it.

If Hand of the Gods is learned at level 50 Alchemist, I will no longer have it.


If the second scenario is true, I will be a sad hamster.

EDIT: (Unless, you guys make it so that skills you learned through guildmarks will still carry over to your character even though you are too low level for it)

[magenta_taco]

The ability to purchase actions, abilities and treatises using guild tokens will be removed and guild tokens can no longer be used (edited at 4:28pm for clarity). Since it won't be possible to purchase treatises, they will no longer be included in recipes. In addition, purchased actions, abilities and treatises will be able to be returned in exchange for guild tokens at their respective guild.

wait what?