Estinien's Hair...please.

[Iscah]

SE has shown they can make cool, long hair on male characters (Estinien, Zenos) without really stupid short bangs in the front.

Maybe I'm just reading your post wrong, but are you possibly misremembering exactly what Estinien's hair looks like?



(Either that or I'm not as clear on the definition of 'bangs' as I thought I was. It's not a term used in Australian English, as far as I'm aware anyway. But I think it's just equivalent to what we would call a 'fringe'.)

But anyway.


I do agree that there need to be more varieties of long hair for males - there aren't many options, particularly for not-tied-back styles, and the one really long style has that headband built into it which restricts its usefulness.

[Elamys]

Maybe I'm just reading your post wrong, but are you possibly misremembering exactly what Estinien's hair looks like?

I think they were saying that estinien has long bangs, not the weird short bangs they seem to favor (bangs = fringe)

honestly, even the girls in this game don't have many long hairstyles that look good.

[AmemeAmeklin]

Technically Estinien doesn't have a 'style'. He just doesn't cut it because he's lazy, so he got a special 'overgrown' edition of the longer hairstyles favored by Ishgardian Elezen.

Those don't typically have bangs so I'm wondering if one day he just got impatient and cut out a window in his hair. He's also got random shorter chunks all over the back. I like to pretend he has split ends

I think Zenos's hair is specially modeled so the bits that go down his front don't clip through his gigantic chestplate. Estinien's is sort of modeled like that but with less care so it does end up clipping since he has full range of motion and currently wears armor that sticks out in random directions. (See screenshot earlier in thread)

[Iscah]

I think they were saying that estinien has long bangs, not the weird short bangs they seem to favor (bangs = fringe)

I'm not confused, good.

But I thought that's a pretty normal fringe length for a lot of their male hairstyle designs - and shorter than on the other 'long' styles I could think of (ie. Artoirel/Pipin/Briardien's style, Emmanellain's, the longer one with the headband, the ponytail). So I wasn't sure if we're thinking of the same thing.

Technically Estinien doesn't have a 'style'. He just doesn't cut it because he's lazy, so he got a special 'overgrown' edition of the longer hairstyles favored by Ishgardian Elezen.

Those don't typically have bangs so I'm wondering if one day he just got impatient and cut out a window in his hair. He's also got random shorter chunks all over the back. I like to pretend he has split ends

Haha, I can see him doing that.

For what it's worth, according to the NPC data on Garland Tools, Estinien's ARR/HW model has a shorter, swept-back style (eg. same as Jannequinard the AST guildmaster) so I figure maybe it was like that at the start of ARR, but between being on the run in ARR's dragoon storyline, questing in Dravania and getting possessed by Nidhogg, it's grown longer and he hasn't bothered to cut it again. (I also figure his being possessed, and whatever that did to him physically, is a plausible excuse for why he doesn't actually have the same face as his earlier model.)

I think Zenos's hair is specially modeled so the bits that go down his front don't clip through his gigantic chestplate. Estinien's is sort of modeled like that but with less care so it does end up clipping since he has full range of motion and currently wears armor that sticks out in random directions. (See screenshot earlier in thread)

Yes, I think so too. I also read somewhere that Zenos is not technically an NPC, program-wise, but a special model? Whereas Estinien is a standard NPC and can be equipped with different gear (and has had three different costume changes with his 'unmasked' model so far). So I think it's not so much that it's modeled with 'less care' as that it's for a different purpose, and can't be as custom-built to work with a single costume design - model it so it sits over his bulkier armour, and it'll look odd in the scenes where he isn't wearing it.