Heaven on High: That's it?

[Iscah]

Casual players liked easier floors for leveling but only found the more challenging floors interesting.

I didn't get "casual players" out of the phrase "players only really enjoyed the challenge of floors 180 to 200". I would assume 'players' in that sentence would refer to "players looking for a challenge" who didn't enjoy having to go through the inbetween floors to get to the deeper ones.

Or is this another time-casual vs intensity-casual technicality?

[Nestama]

Every HoH party I've been in has had a red mage in it (save one), and save one of those parties, all of them have ended with me wanting to punch them.

It's really hard to feel bad for people who main it, and it's only taken one day to make me this angry towards a class.

They not using Cure/Raise?

[RiyahArp]

Casual players liked easier floors for leveling but only found the more challenging floors interesting

I don't think casuals made statics to do content where one wipe or even one DC could make you start over after investing 3 hours into a run. I really find it hard to believe casuals who did POTD like 180+200 the best, and yoshi has a history of saying or believing things which are just odd, aka "launch Astrologian isnt underpowered, you are playing it wrong" or "You know what this game needs to focus on for pvp? Esport arena battles!" or "if we just give them -5 Ilvl weapons from savage in thordan ex, that will help them beat gordias." I said that because i was trying to think why on earth he would say such an odd thing, and mostly it was because he must have interpreted the data he got of people playing incorrectly.

[HyoMinPark]

I didn't get "casual players" out of the phrase "players only really enjoyed the challenge of floors 180 to 200". I would assume 'players' in that sentence would refer to "players looking for a challenge" who didn't enjoy having to go through the inbetween floors to get to the deeper ones.

Or is this another time-casual vs intensity-casual technicality?

“Casual player” =/= automatically a Savage raider. Non-raiders can also want and enjoy challenges. You don’t have to be a raider to want to challenge yourself. I firmly believe Yoshida is speaking about the playerbase as a whole, casuals and raiders included. He isn’t discussing one group or the other.

[RiyahArp]

“Casual player” =/= automatically a Savage raider. Non-raiders can also want and enjoy challenges. You don’t have to be a raider to want to challenge yourself. I firmly believe Yoshida is speaking about the playerbase as a whole, casuals and raiders included. He isn’t discussing one group or the other.

The amount of time you'd do potd is probably close to the time a casual savage raider would spend raiding per week, actually. But we're getting a bit afield here, and its more I just don't get the design changes they made, especially the instakill stuff. I can't say how much it makes the lower floors pointless for casuals and im surprised they even gave it to the floors. They restricted odin, but not those. I can understand if casual hoh was a little harder than potd, but not when they seem to have made it the same or even a bit easier. I don't get why we only get three floors; yes, people spammed the easiest one, but you fix that by just making reasons to do them all, not gutting them.

The casual or not wanting the game to get harder doesn't really mean it needs to be pared down to the minimum; you can expand on it and give more complexity. But even the story suffered from this approach

[Ekimmak]

They not using Cure/Raise?

It's honestly a lot of little things building up into one massive "I want to take your rapier and jam it down your throat" gripe.

Not healing people up on a "auto-heal disabled" floor is certainly one, for sure.

[Ryaz]

Every HoH party I've been in has had a red mage in it (save one), and save one of those parties, all of them have ended with me wanting to punch them.

It's really hard to feel bad for people who main it, and it's only taken one day to make me this angry towards a class.

I've been using my Samurai main, but was going to try going in with my rdm for an extra raise/healing if we have problems with higher levels. What exactly has been the issue with the class? Just bad players?

I've honestly had more issues with smn and sch pets pulling mobs than anything.

[Arrius]

I've been using my Samurai main, but was going to try going in with my rdm for an extra raise/healing if we have problems with higher levels. What exactly has been the issue with the class? Just bad players?

They might clamp up when the fight's getting a mess and people have to be healed and raised - Of which they then forget that those have the ability to do so.
Quite the oddity compared to the eagerness they have displayed in eureka regarding that.

[K1tt]

I did the 1-30 floors for the story but found it a little confusing, is it tied to any side quests I may have (almost certainly) skipped through the dialogue of? Or is that it? What is the lore behind it?

[Ekimmak]

Honestly, thinking it over, my gripes against RDM aren't specifically worth a rant on, but it's the consistency.

Almost every Red mage will pull the boss all over the place, and use up the limit break, and it just gets very tiring to see them all with the same bad habits.