Tanks that annoy the heck outta me.

[Gemina]

The tank stopping and going thing annoys me the most when planting a Regen on him. I will only cast Regen/Aspected Benefict after the tank has stopped and has agro on all the mobs. I almost wish the icon would be a 'stop hand'. It is very difficult for me to optimize regen uptime when tanks stop and go during trash pulls. Help me help you, you know?

Focus targeting the tank has been godsend while healing, this way I can see their timers without having to directly target them. This has also allowed me to see how they are using their CDs. This leads to gripes about how inefficiently some use them. I literally had a tank the other day burn up all his CDs before pulling the boss. I was like, "Doesn't this only happen on satire videos?"

Number one tank gripe though is easily not caring whatsoever for the players they are supposed to be protecting. This can happen in several ways. They might pull before everyone is loaded in. Run ahead while protect is being casted. Stay in DPS stance when shit is hitting the fan. Let other members of the group tank adds that need to be picked up. Whatever it is, you can just tell because the synastry is just not there and what you have to do to adapt to his/her playstyle seriously hinders the optimization of the other jobs/roles in the party.

[Rubiss]

Healers can move alot easier than tanks. I would rather not have the tank face the boss on the party just to get in the aoe heal. Just adjust the aoe placement. kthx.

Healers lose GCDs in some cases by moving. It's easier if the tank uses their lack of hardcasting in most situations and moves into a collective.

[Araxes]

Those that stand righttttttt at the border but not inside of a dome shaped heal. AST’s collective, SCH’s sacred(not that often since the area is much larger), and WHM’s asylum. Especially AST’s collective, the regen is high.

I don’t understand. How hard is it to move 1 step in? Just that 1 step! Won’t cause the boss to turn. Just that 1 tiny god damn step.

-pulls hair out-

As a Warrior you often have to dance around mobs cause they push themselves "out of the Way" from your conal overpower like people on Summersale that all wanna get the one shiny T-Shirt for 4,99. (thanks for taking flash away btw SE)

Also i noticed a lot of unexperienced Tanks lately wich simply Play Tank to avoid long DPS queues wich have become bigger due to Veteran Tanks switching to DPS jobs out of boredom. Those new tanks only focus on maintaining Enmity and dodging bad stuff.

[Iscah]

(Cover has the same issue. You have to be near the tank for it to work, but people constantly run away from it because all our training says not to stand that close to the tank.)

More importantly, that glowing tether line looks like it might be something dangerous that you have to break by running away.

[Hamada]

Mmmmm, maybe......stand closer to the tank when you do this? Maybe place your bubble in a better position for the tank? I dunno. Just a thought! :smile: It seems like this really bothers you <hands chill pill> There...taste the happy....

Na, and I have a video to prove what happens in the real world.. er.. i mean.. what players usually face in this fantasy world like setting:

1:39
https://youtu.be/P-EpQ_V5p1g?t=99

What really irks me is when they pull one pack of adds then stand there and hit it for a few seconds, so I plop down Earthly Star or Shadowflare or whatever, then they pop Sprint and run to grab two more packs leaving my lovely bubble behind. Ugh!

Some tanks go at difference paces, some want to check if flash/unleash/overpower hit everything. My advice to counter this is just learn the standard pulls and when they do not do them, just ask them to pull more and that you can handle it.

[Brightamethyst]

More importantly, that glowing tether line looks like it might be something dangerous that you have to break by running away.

Ha ha, yeah. It's been a year since SB launch and people still occasionally freak out over Dragon Sight too.

[SinisterJoints]

How about standing the hell still in a reasonable spot so the healer can get up their bubble or earthly star on you. It's not hard and many tanks I've healed have made a effort to stay in my bubbles when I place them. That with Regen if im on WHM and you're set but if are consistantly moving away from the bubble and standing outside the bubble, knowing it's set there for you to get HP back then you're taking more damage that could be healed up faster. Plus it helps out the healers in case they want to dps. If you don't know how to position the boss while in a healer bubble then maybe you need to go back to the Hall of the Novice. Just saiyan.


/2 cents

I hate to burst your bubble but, hard to do that when dodging aoe's, or not trying to have aoe's crap on the dps' direction. Another thing, why the hell you healing me with a bubble in a dungeon anyways? Thats lazy AF. For bosses I don't even need a healer to heal me (pld) but if you are telling me to sit still during a big pull when you can barely keep up with the heals under 3 CD's the answer is no. I'm not dying because you want to bubble me. Besides, don't you see all them aoe's I'm dodging?

Also, place your bubble more on the tank side so we have room? If you dont know that dps and healers have more freedom to move then maybe YOU need to go back to hall of the novice....just sayin.

tanks... 2 gcds max if you want to multi pull.. don’t stand there waiting for the mobs to hit 1/3 down and then go pull more.. you are screwing everyones “rotation”.

Tell the overeager dps to stop pew pewing so hard until I finish pulling? Do you know what its like to hit CoS and Flash then take off to the next pack but the GD smn or whoever cant help but premature all over the place? Or tell them to use their damn cooldowns

Healers lose GCDs in some cases by moving. It's easier if the tank uses their lack of hardcasting in most situations and moves into a collective.

Then put it more around the tank?

Those new tanks only focus on maintaining Enmity and dodging bad stuff.

well at least they are getting 2 things right...

Hold Hate/Positioning, DPS, Group mitigation, and dodging aoe's. <--- This is a tanks job. Not ... find the healer bubble and stand in it...

Na, and I have a video to prove what happens in the real world.. er.. i mean.. what players usually face in this fantasy world like setting:

1:39
https://youtu.be/P-EpQ_V5p1g?t=99

So why couldn't the healer place it so that it covered the tank in the first place? Who has more room in that situation, the DPS/heals or tank?

I'll give you a hint, its not the tank!

[Azbroolah]

I hate to burst your bubble but, hard to do that when dodging aoe's, or not trying to have aoe's crap on the dps' direction. Another thing, why the hell you healing me with a bubble in a dungeon anyways? Thats lazy AF. For bosses I don't even need a healer to heal me (pld) but if you are telling me to sit still during a big pull when you can barely keep up with the heals under 3 CD's the answer is no. I'm not dying because you want to bubble me. Besides, don't you see all them aoe's I'm dodging?

Also, place your bubble more on the tank side so we have room? If you dont know that dps and healers have more freedom to move then maybe YOU need to go back to hall of the novice....just sayin.

Do you even play healers? One of the best AST healing strategies for a large trash pull is to be in Diurnal Sect and use Aspected Helios + Aspected Benefic + Collective Unconscious, then Time Dilation for the HoTs. It's ridiculously strong and combined with Earthly Star it lets you spam Gravity even on large pulls. Meanwhile, for WHM Asylum is an extremely strong oGCD heal if you stand in it, opening opportunities for Holy spam. To suggest that using bubbles is bad in dungeons shows that you don't really understand why your healers are using them.

What's more, AST can't control where they put their bubble; it's centered on their position. As for Asylum, you would be amazed how often I place it only for the tank to be targeted by an AoE, move out of the bubble, and not move back in when the AoE resolves. It's terrible.

[RaquelleAvarosa]

So why couldn't the healer place it so that it covered the tank in the first place? Who has more room in that situation, the DPS/heals or tank?

I'll give you a hint, its not the tank!

The tank could have moved. He clearly has enough room to move to the right. Hraesvelgr would still be facing AWAY from everyone else. Instead of blaming the healer for not placing the bubble "correctly", how about the tank IMPROVISE?

After reading through all your replies to many different posts, I can conclude that you are/will be a very self-centered tank.

If my bubble covers majority of the party but not you, and you have room to move. YOU.FRIGGIN.MOVE.

[Gemina]

Concerning healer bubbles and tanks moving out of them, there are a few things I want to bring up. Firstly, their area of effect is MASSIVE. I believe Collective has the smallest range of the three, and iirc this thing is the same size as Sephirot's target box when he is in second phase. There is next to no reason for a tank to not stand in one save a very derpy healer who places it south of where the party is headed. I've played many hours as both healer and tank; trust me, it's not that hard to stand in these things and keep positionals intact.

Second, does any tank actually think these bubbles are meant for them? Because they're not. Their effects are available to all who want them just by standing in them. It is on the healer to place their bubble in an optimal and timely formation, but because the AoE is so large, there is also a large margin for error in their placement - or rather, a large area for other players to improvise if it is not optimally placed.

Lastly, no bubble is the same. SCH's Sacred Soil is powerful damage mitigation and will likely be used to shield a hard hitting unavoidable AoE. It's optimal placement (assuming the incoming damage in not proximal) is the place on the arena with the least amount of distance from the party member furthest away. WHM's Asylum provides a strong regen and will likely be used to provide additional healing to the group. It's optimal placement is dependent on the party composition and mechanics of the fight. I believe Asylum has the largest range of the three, and it would totally make sense if it does because of the diversity between compositions and mechanics. AST's Collective Unconscious gives both but sacrifices their movement, but the regen is residual after leaving the bubble. This gives them the flexibility to both shield a big hit and then regen to recover from it, but it requires cooperation from their group to simply stand in it when it goes off.

Of the three healers, I get frustrated the most when playing as AST and peeps don't come into my warm bubble of nourishment.