Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[KisaiTenshi]

Perhaps SE should just have a separate tab in the PF for people that want to sell content with Gil or in game items BUT the party cannot be cross world. As we all know you can't trade Gil that way, so directing buyers to discord etc clearly has RMT intentions.

No advertising should be permitted at all, anywhere. Especially not the PF. It should also be a reportable thing for all chat channels.

If you want to advertise your FC, SE should turn the quest board at the GC area into that. Move the actual hunt quests to the board inside the adventurer's guild/inn like it is in Ishgard and Kugane. Any FC that has both existed for 30 days, and has at least 8 active members in the last 30 days would be listed. Same with Linkshells. Owners who make their FC or linkshell "closed" will not be searchable. FC's with links in their description that do not go to whitelisted url's will not be shown in results.

[KageTokage]

The only RMT I'm pretty sure is even dealt with is the say chat spamming bots parked at MB's.

Buyers aren't banned at risk of losing costumers. Bots that farm the currency aren't banned because risk of losing customers. Seriously, look at the amount of pople they say they punish for botting? No where NEAR the amount of bots there are. I can count more bots I see in the daily on Balmung than bots they've banned since they started telling us how many.

So since nothing's being done about those, are gathering bots okay? is BUYING RMT okay, so long as it's not selling?

I'm pretty sure they do ban the hacking gil-farming bots.

It's just the ones that actually matter and affect the game negatively on a wider scale like the DoL/H and PvP bots that don't get touched, probably for the reason you mentioned. They don't want to axe any devoted customers even if some of them are using these bots to RMT in a less obvious fashion.

[KisaiTenshi]

I'm pretty sure they do ban the hacking gil-farming bots.

It's just the ones that actually matter and affect the game negatively on a wider scale like the DoL/H and PvP bots that don't get touched, probably for the reason you mentioned. They don't want to axe any devoted customers even if some of them are using these bots to RMT in a less obvious fashion.

More likely they can't catch all the fish. At least not with the resources they have. To use the complete speeding ticket analogy. If they ban everyone who they suspect is cheating, they will have to ban all the raiders, and check every single one of them one by one. If you've ever been behind someone who sees a photo radar van or a pulled over police car, you'll know they see it, slam on the brakes and then go the correct speed for about a mile and then back to business as usual. You'll never see one cop with 50 cars pulled over. Just the people in the red cars, because they go faster /s.

In more than one instance out there, there's been a case of bulk-bans, followed by people screaming that they've been wrongfully caught. Well, no, they weren't wrongfully caught, they just ignored the flashing lights. If they were really wrongfully caught, the person who reviews this stuff would see they don't fit whatever pattern the bulk ban was designed for.

The one call center, we nicknamed the MDE (mass data entry) system "massively damaging errors", because on more than one case, we'd be told to do one thing, and then the "enforcement" by MDE would undo things, and the customer would complain about why something promised wasn't fixed or something fixed was unfixed.

At some point the cost of a mistake is more expensive than the cost of inaction. Hence manual review is more accurate, but so slow to be ineffective, where as a mass data event that isn't 100% perfect will create so much manual effort to undo that the initial MDE should have been rolled back, and to do that would rollback everyone on the server.

Anyway, SE needs to do more, these bots shouldn't be able to get to level 15, let alone 50, yet they stick around for a week and then disappear. The less obvious bots that players may be harder to distinguish between players dual-boxing, or two players on the same WiFi, so it's probably a lot harder to police.

[NephthysVasudan]

No advertising should be permitted at all, anywhere. Especially not the PF. It should also be a reportable thing for all chat channels.

Hate to break it to you..the whole point of party finder is to "Advertise"

There is nothing wrong in advertising almost anything under the sun. The problem here is HOW they are using it...not just WHAT.

While like you I'm strongly against spam...lets not ruin it for everyone else.

Have GM's enforce a "relegation to other" for advertisements that do not fit the obvious roles PF's are placed.
You want to sell content?
You put it in other.
Want to recruit for your FC?
Put it in other.

If you do any of the above in "Random" roulette and it is not actually a random roulette duty...you get slapped by a GM. Loss of party finder privileges or something.
Suits me just fine.

Shoving these content clearing ads as suspicious as they are - into the other category would be fine by me...the back of the list is just fine. Out of sight out of mind.

Or at least give us the ability to "blacklist"/"block" PF creators. Also works well.

[KisaiTenshi]

Hate to break it to you..the whole point of party finder is to "Advertise"

You knew exactly what I was talking about. This is not the only game where "abusing the freeform text of the party finder is a thing". For what it's worth, the PF is at least out of sight by default. In other games the freeform text ends up in the global chat/server messages, and is extremely more annoying. Advertising garbage in the PF should never have been a thing.

Here's a screenshot from FFXIV from February found here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-Party-Finder


What do other games have?

For example... Blade and Soul: https://support.bladeandsoul.com/hc/...port-Spammers-

[Rubiss]

You knew exactly what I was talking about. This is not the only game where "abusing the freeform text of the party finder is a thing". For what it's worth, the PF is at least out of sight by default. In other games the freeform text ends up in the global chat/server messages, and is extremely more annoying. Advertising garbage in the PF should never have been a thing.

Here's a screenshot from FFXIV from February found here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-Party-Finder


What do other games have?

For example... Blade and Soul: https://support.bladeandsoul.com/hc/...port-Spammers-

We can only hope really.

[Nerini]

Doesn't it technically break two ToS rules to sell and ultimate fight?

[KageTokage]

Doesn't it technically break two ToS rules to sell and ultimate fight?

It does, but they have no in-game methods of confirming whether or not they're actually violating the ToS, so they can't punish them.

They really should just have a "No advertising in PF" policy, though.

[Rubiss]

Doesn't it technically break two ToS rules to sell and ultimate fight?

Square doesn't care. I'm surprised more RMT sellers don't advertise on the official forums.

[Rogatum]

Square doesn't care. I'm surprised more RMT sellers don't advertise on the official forums.

Forum moderators do not play. I got a nine day suspension for nercoing old threads.