Why is Quietus so weak?

[Hierro]

Yep, it's definitely a conspiracy. (Or, just assign whatever ends up being the main AoE enmity action to level 6.)

Here's the previous discussion on the subject:
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I personally don't see why PLD can't have both an enmity AoE that does damage as well as a non-enmity dps AoE, like both of the other tanks. I feel like it's an artificial penalty. Unless you're campaigning for Overpower to do no damage as well, of course.

Yeaaaaah buddy, let's make SB's most overpowered tank EVEN MORE OVERPOWERED! AoE was perhaps the only thing holding them back from ABSOLUTE PERFECTION! No, we can't have PLD settle for anything less!

[Saeno]

Yeaaaaah buddy, let's make SB's most overpowered tank EVEN MORE OVERPOWERED! AoE was perhaps the only thing holding them back from ABSOLUTE PERFECTION! No, we can't have PLD settle for anything less!

I mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff, can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks, has stances locked to the GCD and deals with the longest tank invul of all tanks on top of their AoE. If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.

[Hierro]

I mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff

irrelevant since it's practically always available from one class or another

can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks

oh, now you agree with me?

has stances locked to the GCD

Don't have to touch the GCD if you start in Sword Oath *taps temple*

the longest tank invul of all tanks

You mean the undisputed STRONGEST invul of all tanks?

If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.

BULL!

[Saeno]

irrelevant since it's practically always available from one class or another

no, it's very relevant because of out all of the jobs, WAR is the only one that doesnt lose DPS when applying or maintaining it. NIN loses an aeolean every third combo due to needing to reapply slashing and SAM does its opener without slashing for quite a while.

oh, now you agree with me?

In what way?

Don't have to touch the GCD if you start in Sword Oath *taps temple*

And you also have awful aggro as a result. Resulting in you doing excessive enmity combos and losing DPS from potency and loss of MP gain.

You mean the undisputed STRONGEST invul of all tanks?

Holmgang blows the other tank invuls out of the water in any content that matters. This is not up for debate. Holmgang also makes WAR's mitigation kit way stronger thanks to it allowing the WAR to constantly have some form of mitigation while Holmgang covers any hard hitting damage every 3 minutes.

BULL!

Do you want to know what's bull? 5x decimates guaranteeing a crit/direct hit. If you seriously think PLD would be broken with more Aoe but WAR is fine with Inner release decimates then I think you need to take another look at the numbers between a PLD and WAR in aoe situations.

[Hierro]

Do you want to know what's bull? 5x decimates guaranteeing a crit/direct hit. If you seriously think PLD would be broken with more Aoe but WAR is fine with Inner release decimates then I think you need to take another look at the numbers between a PLD and WAR in aoe situations.

That may be so, but WAR can only do it once every 90 seconds. Imagine having continuous powerful AoE for every single pull. PLD has excellent mitigation and damage, ontop of the most amount of utility. I will not stand for PLD excelling in AoE too.

[WhyAmIHere]

I will not stand for *WAR not being the best tank of all.

What you really mean.
AD is pretty good AoE available every single pull, and like you demonstrated in the past with the right planning Q is up every single pull as well.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

I mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff, can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks, has stances locked to the GCD and deals with the longest tank invul of all tanks on top of their AoE. If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.

I love ya Saeno but I'm like 99% sure with how he's worded his posts it was supposed to be sarcastic.

Either way, it's pretty criminal just how bad PLD aoe is compared to the other two.

[WhyAmIHere]

I love ya Saeno but I'm like 99% sure with how he's worded his posts it was supposed to be sarcastic.

Either way, it's pretty criminal just how bad PLD aoe is compared to the other two.

I mean, yeah it's bad, but checks and balances.