Why is Quietus so weak?

[Saeno]

Comparing unbuffed Quietus to its "rival" Decimate, it's 160 potency vs. 280 potency.

Decimate also crit+direct hits 5 times in a row under Inner release. Decimate is a lot stronger than quietus because of WAR's kit, not just decimate on it's own so I think it's a little unfair to compare them unbuffed. I don't think DRK's aoe needs to be buffed to be comparible to a tank that can deal higher aoe damage than almost all other DPS jobs. I think this is one of the few cases where one job's aoe kit is so above and beyond that it's unreasonable for DRK to be buffed accordingly unless every job in the game gets buffed so hard that 5x inner release decimates seems average.

Going on a tangent, but DRK's aoe kit is also way above and beyond PLD's kit. If Holy spirit is like Fell cleave and bloodspiller, then PLD's do not even have anything similar to Decimate or Quietus. Total eclipse is weaker than overpower and Abyssal and those aren't even the strongest skills on those jobs. Sword oath also does not help aoe damage output unlike Storms eye and Darkside. Sword oath is entirely single target. The difference between PLD's kit to DRK's kit is about as bad as WAR's kit to DRK's kit. I agree that the balance between aoe damage across the tanks is very weak but im sure SE is aware of that.

[Lyth]

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I think all of PLD's AoE issues would be solved by:
1) Convert Total Eclipse to being an enmity move
2) Replace Flash with a magical damage AoE (without enmity)

At present, Total Eclipse is roughly on par with Abyssal/Overpower at baseline and shoots far ahead when you apply Fight or Flight. Circle of Scorn does about 30 potency less than DA Dark Passenger while being free (vs. costing half your MP bar) and being on half the recast (nearly double the potency per minute). The only thing holding PLD's AoE kit back is Flash. If you could only just take advantage of Requiescat with a proper magic damage AoE, PLD would do more than break even; they would easily pull ahead.

[Ekimmak]

I think all of PLD's AoE issues would be solved by:
1) Convert Total Eclipse to being an enmity move
2) Replace Flash with a magical damage AoE (without enmity)

At present, Total Eclipse is roughly on par with Abyssal/Overpower at baseline and shoots far ahead when you apply Fight or Flight. Circle of Scorn does about 30 potency less than DA Dark Passenger while being free (vs. costing half your MP bar) and being on half the recast (nearly double the potency per minute). The only thing holding PLD's AoE kit back is Flash. If you could only just take advantage of Requiescat with a proper magic damage AoE, PLD would do more than break even; they would easily pull ahead.

Are you actively trying to screw over levelling Gladiator/Paladins/Paladins in levelling roulette, or do you people just post how trash flash is without even stopping to think about the order your skills are gained?

[SummerScorcher]

Are you actively trying to screw over levelling Gladiator/Paladins/Paladins in levelling roulette, or do you people just post how trash flash is without even stopping to think about the order your skills are gained?

If they were to go through with a decision like this, I'm sure they would have Total Eclipse be gained at lv6 instead of Flash, and have that new magic damage AoE somewhere between 60-80.

[Lyth]

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Yep, it's definitely a conspiracy. (Or, just assign whatever ends up being the main AoE enmity action to level 6.)

Here's the previous discussion on the subject:
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I personally don't see why PLD can't have both an enmity AoE that does damage as well as a non-enmity dps AoE, like both of the other tanks. I feel like it's an artificial penalty. Unless you're campaigning for Overpower to do no damage as well, of course.

[Hierro]

Yep, it's definitely a conspiracy. (Or, just assign whatever ends up being the main AoE enmity action to level 6.)

Here's the previous discussion on the subject:
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I personally don't see why PLD can't have both an enmity AoE that does damage as well as a non-enmity dps AoE, like both of the other tanks. I feel like it's an artificial penalty. Unless you're campaigning for Overpower to do no damage as well, of course.

Yeaaaaah buddy, let's make SB's most overpowered tank EVEN MORE OVERPOWERED! AoE was perhaps the only thing holding them back from ABSOLUTE PERFECTION! No, we can't have PLD settle for anything less!

[Saeno]

Yeaaaaah buddy, let's make SB's most overpowered tank EVEN MORE OVERPOWERED! AoE was perhaps the only thing holding them back from ABSOLUTE PERFECTION! No, we can't have PLD settle for anything less!

I mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff, can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks, has stances locked to the GCD and deals with the longest tank invul of all tanks on top of their AoE. If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.

[Hierro]

I mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff

irrelevant since it's practically always available from one class or another

can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks

oh, now you agree with me?

has stances locked to the GCD

Don't have to touch the GCD if you start in Sword Oath *taps temple*

the longest tank invul of all tanks

You mean the undisputed STRONGEST invul of all tanks?

If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.

BULL!

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

I mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff, can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks, has stances locked to the GCD and deals with the longest tank invul of all tanks on top of their AoE. If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.

I love ya Saeno but I'm like 99% sure with how he's worded his posts it was supposed to be sarcastic.

Either way, it's pretty criminal just how bad PLD aoe is compared to the other two.

[FeliAiko]

Are you actively trying to screw over levelling Gladiator/Paladins/Paladins in levelling roulette, or do you people just post how trash flash is without even stopping to think about the order your skills are gained?

You could make the suggested Flash idea an upgraded trait (like how IR is an upgrade of Zerk now), so it retains its old function at lower levels (enmity) and gets the damage trait later on.