Duty Recorder Forgotten?

[Lambdafish]

The community itself is incredibly hypocritical as well.

I don't think the word hypocritical applies when you are talking about a large group of people, all with differing opinions.

The problem lies with the theme park design of the game giving conflicting impressions on how a player should be playing their role. People do dungeons and then expect to be able to do all content that way, and the early game does nothing to eliminate this playstyle or line of thinking.

[KisaiTenshi]

I don't think the word hypocritical applies when you are talking about a large group of people, all with differing opinions.

The problem lies with the theme park design of the game giving conflicting impressions on how a player should be playing their role. People do dungeons and then expect to be able to do all content that way, and the early game does nothing to eliminate this playstyle or line of thinking.

eg, POTD = Everyone's a dps, press x to win.
24-man alliance = Who's a good main tank, yes you are. Hey healers... Alliance C is dead can you... maybe? (Alliance C remains dead for the entire fight)
8-main raid = git gud or don't play, ever.
MSQ light party = Could you maybe not pull everything wall to wall with new players kthx.
PvP = Win trading and bots, who actually plays this content for serious?
LoV = More win trading.

Like there's at least 4 different combat styles (Zerg, Meta, BigPull and MSQ) and they don't work well together.


The duty recorder has a lot of potential, but right now it's basically not usable. Even going beyond combat, it could be used for players doing machinima-style things if some editing tools are provided to protect the privacy of players in the background by default.

It should be turned on by default on all duties, and players who don't opt in, are replaced with scions or other storyline-relevant NPC's.

[AxlStream]

Duty recorder is obsolete because recording software, ACT and FFLogs exist. It doesn't have the features to replace any of these.

[KisaiTenshi]

Duty recorder is obsolete because recording software, ACT and FFLogs exist. It doesn't have the features to replace any of these.

PS4 players do not have access to this.

[Fatch38]

PS4 players do not have access to this.

never used it but doesn't ps4 have already a recorder (share button) ?

i'm on the side of "noone asked for it and it's useless" because like i said ps4 already have that and on pc some graphic card driver have it too (and finding a recording software isn't that hard if you haven't one)

[Paladinleeds]

It should be turned on by default on all duties, and players who don't opt in, are replaced with scions or other storyline-relevant NPC's.

It's a rare occassion but I agree with you. Yes, it should be turned on by default. Log the items the players are wearing (you know, for the sake of stats), and if someone doesn't accept it, you have it roll a random player character look for them (so let's say I didn't agree to it, you might instead get a Lalafell male instead of an Au Ra female). Replace the name with a random NPC name (like Momodi, or Nanamo), if you don't want storyline relevant NPCs (since I'm not sure how all of them will work, e.g. Ultimate, are there any storyline-relevant NPCs for that?)

[KisaiTenshi]

I've not used it yet but if I remember well you can choose the POV as you wish. As such Imho is a bit superior to the avaible sources which unless you have multiple ppl streaming the run you can only get one POV.
Now I'll go into uncharted territory and say that streaming while progging is also a hit to perfomances, I imagine that while the recorder is recording you might not suffer from perfomance issue, but If someone has more ripe informations on this they can correct me

Streaming will always incur delays, as it's recording the actual visual information from a player, So this usually means somewhere between 3 frames and 3 minutes of buffering. Poorer connections will basically not be able to stream or record video at all.

How the Duty Recorder appears to work, is to actually play back the network data, as it was originally sent, but the Duty Recorder lets you change PoV. Every player within a certain range sees the same animation and combat stat data, the only data that is unique to your character is inventory (eg when you win a loot roll, it synchronizes the inventory.)

A 24-player Alliance Raid that lasts the full 2hours, generates about 200MB of uncompressed network data. That's about the same size as a 10 minute 1080p30 video.

It's a rare occassion but I agree with you. Yes, it should be turned on by default. Log the items the players are wearing (you know, for the sake of stats), and if someone doesn't accept it, you have it roll a random player character look for them (so let's say I didn't agree to it, you might instead get a Lalafell male instead of an Au Ra female). Replace the name with a random NPC name (like Momodi, or Nanamo), if you don't want storyline relevant NPCs (since I'm not sure how all of them will work, e.g. Ultimate, are there any storyline-relevant NPCs for that?)

Just based on what I know how the game works:
1) Replacing the player ID with a NPC ID, is braindead simple. The command mission NPC's are only different from Player's and Pets in that they have a fixed "player" appearance. Replacing another player with Alphinaud is basically replacing his appearance, not his job.
2) When a character is spawned, it transmit's it's appearance. You can't change your gear during a fight, and this is why. When you change jobs, the game basically despawns and respawns your character on everyone elses screen. This also results in the stats being re-transmitted due to the gear change.

So, for using the Duty Recorder on ARR Duties, would logically let you drag Y'shtola (CNJ/WHM/AST), Yda/Lyse (DPS - MNK), Papalymo (DPS - THM/BLM), and Thancred (DPS/Rogue/Ninja) in, up until Thancred disappears. Alphinaud(ACN/SMN) and Alisaie (RDM) could also be swapped in at any point where they aren't NPC's. Yugiri (DPS - Ninja) can be added at any point in 2.1+, and used in any duty where's she's not a NPC. Likewise Gosetsu can be swapped in for any SAM. Tataru is also technically a Arcanist as well. Basically the only role that is really missing a NPC equal is Scholar. Alphinaud and Tataru could actually do all three ACN/SMN/SCH as stand-in's, I just don't know if the game would animate the pet spawns if they don't technically have them.

Like it doesn't take much to fit them in. There are Job NPC's that can also be used if they've been unlocked. The game simply needs to ask who to use (Scions/NPCs, Squadron, Randomly picked appearance) and undye/unglamor the gear. Or if we want to turn the "privacy" directive up a little more, have fixed glamours set for level 50+/60+/70+ gear so that Anonymized characters are glamoured to the AF gears.

If this was taken up to "video editing" levels, being able to overwrite the appearance/dye/glamour of the other consenting players for playback would be a good option. It might be slightly abusive if it's done without consent, so players who didn't consent would result in letting the player doing the playback "re-roll" the anonymous appearance.

To a certain extent the Duty Recorder is a superior option, if it can record everything, not just one or two fights.