Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[AxlStream]

Why don't the buyers just git gud?

That would be preferable but then again, their cash, their call.

[Jijifli]

That would be preferable but then again, my cash, my call.

ftfy <3

(OBVIOUS JOKE)

[KisaiTenshi]

Say I visit my friend down in the US for a weekend. My ISP will come from a different location. What about people who use VIPs? Tracking based on ISP is a wonderful why to ban completely innocent people, especially since the overwhelming majority neither buy nor sell runs.

That being said, yes, they could simply ban it from PF. Why don't they? It costs more money than its probably worth. At least in their eyes.

Every time someone suggests an IP ban, I'll show you someone who hasn't the slightest idea how the internet works.

The easiest lever SE has to stopping RMT is to require the hardware authenticator (not the mobile phone authenticator.) Every time you login, switch, or create characters, ask for the authenticator again. If an authenticator is removed, suspend the account subscription until replaced.

Of course they wouldn't do this since that would prevent "free trial" access, and some players might be without an authenticator for two months if they lose theirs, since shipping outside the US, or from Japan is a nightmare.

Mobile phone authenticators can be emulated and thus are useless for stopping RMT.

[Rubiss]

Threads like these I will always interpret as people can't sell content themselves as they're bad.

Must be weird always being incorrect. Should I too limit the conversation to players who have cleared or rather haven't cleared well, like say on God Kefka?

[AxlStream]

Must be weird always being incorrect. Should I too limit the conversation to players who have cleared or rather haven't cleared well, like say on God Kefka?

Well, I fail to see how people that didn't clear God Kefka would care about the topic as it's a requirement before even thinking about Weapon's Refrain. But hey, if it bothers you that people are good enough to sell the content, it's your loss not mine. I had my laughs already.

[Sotaris]

It's clear RMT and should be reported and both seller/advertiser/buyer should be perma banned asap.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d5018ee8fc7b01

The issue with SE is they don't collect 3rd party info as proof. Since transaction and conversation don't accur in game SE won't do anything unless i'm completely out of the blue.

I think latest episode of Limit Break Radio touched on this pretty well.

[Alleo]

Say I visit my friend down in the US for a weekend. My ISP will come from a different location.

Its not just about that, its about getting more evidence together. For example how big is the chance that someone put up a partyfinder ad and someone that they dont know goes into this and suddenly clears Ultimate. These people have not played together, have a different IP and maybe the gear of that person was not that high before. (Or if that player did not clear any savage before that) How high is the chance that this is just a group of friend visiting each other and suddenly doing the hardest content in the game?

I mean I was not talking about instantly banning someone but a change in IP could be one important part of the puzzle.

[DDkiki]

Its not just about that, its about getting more evidence together. For example how big is the chance that someone put up a partyfinder ad and someone that they dont know goes into this and suddenly clears Ultimate. These people have not played together, have a different IP and maybe the gear of that person was not that high before. (Or if that player did not clear any savage before that) How high is the chance that this is just a group of friend visiting each other and suddenly doing the hardest content in the game?

I mean I was not talking about instantly banning someone but a change in IP could be one important part of the puzzle.

I said them many time that sudden change of IP is just part of all and looks suspicious so may play part in investiogation with other stuff like who was your party members, did you participated in ultimate before and with what party. Aplogoists just cry "but what if i play from my friend's house", its just stupid.

[KisaiTenshi]

I said them many time that sudden change of IP is just part of all and looks suspicious so may play part in investiogation with other stuff like who was your party members, did you participated in ultimate before and with what party. Aplogoists just cry "but what if i play from my friend's house", its just stupid.

It's not that unbelievable, but keep in mind a few things.
1) Sudden IP changes that don't make sense (eg player was in Texas at 8pm, and somehow is now in Ireland at 10pm)
2) VPN use to work around internet brain damage
3) Convenient Timing.

Like my own criteria for fraud detection that I used when working at the auction site, IP address was only used as weak evidence, that you still needed additional weak evidence to use. Strong evidence would be things like feedback through the system that indicates the intent to defraud, or has a past history of fraud.

So if someone:
- who was previously listing party finders with links off-site, that's one point
- starts partying with people they have never previously met, that's another point
- and the never-before-met plays from the same ip address as a previous party member

You have all the evidence you need that was a RMT.

Even if the IP address is different, that 8th player is not going to magically have the skill level one time. That's the biggest red flag. A player that seems to only play hard content once, at a skill level they didn't previously have, until they get a reward, and then never again... RMT.

So the fact that anyone thinks they are getting away with this is kinda just falls back into the "people with deep pockets care not for consequences" caricature of people who buy expensive cars and break traffic laws with impunity. They just get away with it until they are stopped, and and since they have deep pockets, they can just buy another one.

[Alleo]

Like my own criteria for fraud detection that I used when working at the auction site, IP address was only used as weak evidence, that you still needed additional weak evidence to use. Strong evidence would be things like feedback through the system that indicates the intent to defraud, or has a past history of fraud.

I think we all can agree that IP alone would not be good evidence because there could be reasonable arguments why it changed. But it could be still one small piece in the puzzle.