Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[tinythinker]

I'm a believer that if you que for the higher level group content then there's a certain minimum skill floor you should be able to meet(the basics of your job). In a group of friends you can be a thunder mage, an auto-attack tank, or whatever other ridiculous thing you want. The game doesn't do a great job of teaching everything(the hall of the intermediate idea that's been tossed around repeatedly would be a good start)

Lol Speaking of Cure 3 I had a whm one time miss use it. At 1st I hadn't noticed it as I was on a dps, but after the 2nd "wait I have no mp" slow downs I wondered why they were running out of mp so dang fast with a tank that was using their CDs and not making the low leveled dungeon a speed pull. Which made me watch them and that's how I learned that instead of using either Medica they'd use Cure 3 and only get the tank most of the time. So I did tell them to stop using it because it's range sucks for aoe but they didn't listen. Tank almost died on the last boss because the whm had no mp and also didn't know that lucid is also a mp refresh. Or have an ether on them. Thankfully the other dps or myself lbed the boss and we finished the run. Yes, it's also bad for mp management but there was so much to try to correct with that healer that I'd of been fine if they had just stopped trying to use it for aoe heals. We really do need an intermediate hall.

Not sure how many who need it would use it if it wasn't required, but it's something to consider. And believe it or not, another MMO I've played has zip other than a basic "here's how to walk and open doors" kind of tutorial when you start the game. No Hall of the Novice or Guildhest equivalent. Nothing like WoW's class training thing. The level of WTF is sometimes pretty epic in instanced group dungeons, and some players use games like FFXIV to point out examples of mechanisms for helping players to learn their roles. Yet still, even it something was added, there would be those who wouldn't use it and just march on to their own drum...

[Iscah]

How long does the sprout status last now?

My new adventurer status ended inbetween the final quest of post-Heavensward and the first of Stormblood.

To be exact, you pick up the Stormblood quest from the same person that completed the previous one, but I was ready to log out for the night, so instead I left the quest unstarted and warped to a different area - at which point I got the "you are no longer a new adventurer, and have left the Novice Network" message.

I think there is a time requirement as well as (not instead of) reaching that story point - I have in mind 168 hours but I'm not certain where I got that from.

[DevonEllwood]

50/60 roulette put me in snowcloak and with another tank that doesn't use any defensive cooldowns. Are people just allergic to them? If you are going to make a big pull, wall to wall, just use them. I already had Selene out (because Snowcloak) so I couldn't even get a regen going. Not that it really would have helped since the tank sucked up three lustrates and alternating shield/physic was a lost cause. Living dead isn't going to help if you are taking more damage than I can heal in 2.5 seconds.
I get applauded by one of the red mages for the wipe so I've lost all care . I switch back to Selene since the tank started doing single pulls. First boss, fine, second boss, the new red mage gets yelled at for attacking the spriggans despite them saying they were new. I pointed that out to no comment. Somewhere along the line the tank decided to emote disappointment at me because I guess they weren't at 100% health at all time; Selene was busy healing the new red mage standing in the blizzard areas. Then randomly a big pull and I was lagging behind so the tank dies. I could have saved the situation if I had just moved a bit quicker or the tank could have just used some cooldowns. Last boss went fine, both red mages stand outside the crystal. Fenris goes after the red mage with the most enmity (the not new one) and Fenris dies right after. The tank had already left, I give a commendation to the new red mage and just leave.
I think from now on I'm just not going to DPS if the tank uses no cooldowns because that's a clear cry for the tank to be babysat.

Did alliance roulette after and got in a party with a nice FC who I'll visit later since my alt is on their server. the tank also used cooldowns even if they didn't need them.

[RubixCube]

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I’m sorry, but why on Earth were you using Selene if you needed extra healing juice? I can’t think of anything in snowcloak that justifies Selene over Eos and especially not if you’re struggling to heal. With eos you would have had whispering dawn and illumination to support you.

[DevonEllwood]

Because I've always have and never had a problem there. The only reason I was struggling to heal was because of an unexpected no cooldowwon tank. lesson learned though. Sorry if that wasn't clear I really have a hard time putting thoughts to words and end up skipping details when writing.

[Maeka]

Q'd up for Trials as DRK today and got Shiva.

The other tank, a Warrior, has Defiance up and has some 11.9k and I've only got like 8-9k so I throw Darkside on and leave Grit off and I assume I'm supposed to be OT.

We get to the Golems phase, and the WAR runs around and grabs all the Golems despite me trying to pick up the golems myself. I was out of MP so I wasn't able to turn Grit on (my mistake), and so I needed a Syphon Strike. By the time I get the Syphon Strike out, the MT is dead and so I provoke Shiva, and start tanking her myself, and the Golems are about dead so I just ignore them for now.

We get past the Diamond Dust just fine, because thankfully the DPS weren't sleeping on the job. The MT gets up, and while weakened tries to fight me for aggro on Shiva. I'm thinking "dude, you're weakened, just act as a gimp DPS and I'll handle this" but nope. He kept Defiance up and he kept trying to play aggro war with me.

But of course, with what is that again, -20% penalty to DPS, there's no way he was going to outdo me, and I kept her the rest of the fight. And of course, DPS couldn't dodge crap because 2-3 of them died. We still won, though.

[Hamada]

Lol Speaking of Cure 3 I had a whm one time miss use it. At 1st I hadn't noticed it as I was on a dps, but after the 2nd "wait I have no mp" slow downs I wondered why they were running out of mp so dang fast with a tank that was using their CDs and not making the low leveled dungeon a speed pull. Which made me watch them and that's how I learned that instead of using either Medica they'd use Cure 3 and only get the tank most of the time. So I did tell them to stop using it because it's range sucks for aoe but they didn't listen. Tank almost died on the last boss because the whm had no mp and also didn't know that lucid is also a mp refresh. Or have an ether on them. Thankfully the other dps or myself lbed the boss and we finished the run. Yes, it's also bad for mp management but there was so much to try to correct with that healer that I'd of been fine if they had just stopped trying to use it for aoe heals. We really do need an intermediate hall.

We do not need an "intermediate heal" what we do need is player base to read the descriptions of abilities and have people talk to each other more. If only the tank is taking damage, if geared appropriately cure I is enough while cure II often overheals. This does not apply to all level ranges and you may need to cast 2 cure II's back to back but cure II is generally more then needed most of the time anyway. Another issue is how you presented the issue, if all you said "stop using it aoe sucks" .. that is not addressing the core issue, the mp use. You should of said something of the like of "cure II heals more then cure III on one person and costs less mp per cast, you will not be running out of mp if you use cure II." If they do not listen or do not say anything, this is where it should be considered of kicking them, this is the only way people learn.

[shibeouya]

Got Qarn Temple last week in a roulette with a friend as a tank. Other players (healer + dps) were both sprouts. No problem so far, I go slow, and arriving at the first boss I take some time to explain the mechanics.

Upon pulling, both sprouts just ignore everything I said and died, and we both proceed to die as well for lack of healing. Bleh. Nevermind, it's their first time, I'll just explain again in more details. Still not a word from them after explaining a second time, so I assume they got it and pull. Exact same thing and they both ignore the pads and die and we wipe. Starting to be a bit frustrated, I explain yet again a 3rd time, and ask if anyone has any questions. Still silence. 3rd time's the charm, right? Nope, same thing happens, we wipe again. After a 4th wipe, we end up voting abandon and back out.

I can only assume they were either a) trolling, b) speaking a different language, c) bots (but they didn't move like bots though)

[MicahZerrshia]

I just queue'd up for 70 roulette as whm and got Ala Mhigo, didn't pay much attn to others gear until after the first boss. I noticed the tank was taking an extraordinary amount of damage but its nothing I can't handle and was still able to dps when I wasn't heal bombing him to keep him alive. blm was alternating between fire 3 and blizz 3, brd not using songs, dots or aoes.

We get to the first boss and it took forever to kill so after we were done I checked the rest of my pt. lvl 64-66 gear with a couple 67 and 68 here and there. I promptly left the dungeon.

And before anyone asks, because people tend to think this is an excuse no matter how high their level, no none of them were sprouts.

[Maeka]

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Yeah, 64-66 gear in a Level 70 dungeon, there is NO excuse for this because the Lv70 job quest rewards the whole left side except belt of 290 Lv70 gear which is plenty good enough for Ala Mihgo, though you probably want at least Lv67-69 jewelry.

Almost sounds like we're getting a rush of people leveling characters to eventually use as bots. Did they have sensible names?