Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Vhailor]

This all comes down to personal opinion IMO. All youre doing is trying to belittle eachother and forcing "what if's".

This entre thread is more toxic than someone paying for a clear.

Breaking game immersion? Oh please.
You want exclusiveness. You want that one ting and You dont want anyone Else to have it unless they got it the same way at the same amount of time.

I personally don't. I realize you may struggle to understand that, but as I've admitted before, I don't Raid. I'm 99.99% certain I'll never so much as attempt the Ultimate fights, so I'll never have these items. In fact, I don't even do Savage Raids. My iLevel average on my WHM is i360, and I'm quite content with that. So, clearly, this cannot possibly be about exclusivity.

I do, however, prize a sense of fairness in the game world. I want rewards structured around in-game effort and skill, not outside forces like how much money is in your bank account. For people who use the PF, I imagine there's also a desire for a system that isn't cluttered with thinly-veiled RMT runs so that they can use it more effectively. Just because something doesn't impact you or you can't see how it impacts others, doesn't mean others are lying or making things up, and it's quite judgmental and arrogant to assume otherwise.

If there is a market for something, there are going to be People providing it. You can't moderate this with some automated system, it has to be manned. Thats a huge resource sink for something thats "annoying some People".

Dont be dramatic. Its not Breaking the game for you and Its easy to completely disregard while playing.

Let SE do their thing. They'll put a stop to it when they can.

That's always the reality, but we can moderate this with relatively minimal effort if SE adjusts their ToS. All they have to do to significantly curb this type of run is close the giant gaping loophole of permitting run-selling when Gil is exchanged, along with maybe a ban on posting references to non-XIV sites or content within the PF description. Boom. Anything reported is a clear-cut, binary sort of judgment that a GM can make in just a few seconds.

Alternately, they could legalize RMT in this particular context, and include PF options for sold runs so that people can filter out the runs they aren't interested in. I think this would be a mistake (see Diablo 3 for a recent attempt at legitimizing RMT), but that's SE's call. What they really shouldn't do is leave the policy in an unenforceable state. They've left the door wide open for barely-hidden RMT, despite officially banning it. Either open the door up officially, or close it more firmly. It's that simple.

[Rubiss]

As someone else said in this thread, I personally I do not care what people do with their money but these adverts clog up the PF, which is annoying. At the very least make it tab just for selling runs, and punish people that post their advert outside that tab if they are trying to sell a run.



If it gets SE to unclog the PF then I am all for it. People have brought this up before you, and others will bring it up after you. SE does not seem to care. I mean if they made a profit off out of they properly would start to care, just as if they had a legitimized version of RMT properly they would also care about that. Just my cynical view.

May as well have a subforum here for selling runs.

[Awha]

May as well have a subforum here for selling runs.

I simply would not visit that sub forum. Really comes down to out of sight out of mind for me. Good on you for finding a cause you feel is worth fighting for. I personally have my own worries and issues, I do not have the time or energy to care how someone uses their money. Would it be nice if SE changed their policy and took action sure why not, but if they have not done something by now I am not holding my breath they will do something in the future. If it happens awesome, but not holding my breath.

Trust me because someone is indifferent does not always mean they are against you, in my case I will let the others carry the banner. Would just be nice if at the very least SE did a band aid fix to reduce the clutter in the PF.

[OurMom]

It is fairly obvious that it's for RMT. It's a crossworld PF and you can't trade in any capacity in it. They advertise their discord because they want to talk off-site about the sale. The advertisement itself infringes on the rules.

Is it fairy obvious though? I'm sorta new and when I saw those ads I figured they had characters on multiple servers. I know some people that have multi chars because they just like raiding and hate the lock outs.

[Rubiss]

Is it fairy obvious though? I'm sorta new and when I saw those ads I figured they had characters on multiple servers. I know some people that have multi chars because they just like raiding and hate the lock outs.

Yes. You can't trade gil or items with a person unless they are in your world. The fact that they sell runs but refuse to talk about it at all in party finder (hence the ilvl set to a level where no one can join) and link to an off-site medium of communication is proof.

[HyoMinPark]

I mean, I won’t say that people buying clear is breaking my immersion—they are free to spend their $1,200 USD on whatever they please. If they deem that spending it on a virtual UwU weapon is worth over a grand in cash, okay then? I don’t like it, but it doesn’t cheapen any achievement I will get when I finally clear Ultimate—I’ll have proof that I’ve earned mine, where as they won’t. So there’s really no argument there for me at least.

OP is more than welcome to feel passionate about this; I just think it’s a losing battle because the GMs will not accept Discord screenshots of sales because of the risk of them being falsified. They’ve already proven they won’t do this with videos of crafting/gathering bots or streams of people botting/hacking in PvP, so they aren’t going to really do it for content sellers either.

At the end of the day, I just stop concerning myself with what others do. I wouldn’t call that complacency so much as I have my own crap to worry about; I don’t have time to worry about what others are doing.

[CreinCrein]

Yes. You can't trade gil or items with a person unless they are in your world. The fact that they sell runs but refuse to talk about it at all in party finder (hence the ilvl set to a level where no one can join) and link to an off-site medium of communication is proof.

Maybe they link their discord and keep the PF locked so multiple buyers don't join simultaneously. Maybe the sellers have discord on their phone and are away from their computers during their ad runs. Disprove this using in-game chat logs.

[Jijifli]

Maybe they link their discord and keep the PF locked so multiple buyers don't join simultaneously. Maybe the sellers have discord on their phone and are away from their computers during their ad runs. Disprove this using in-game chat logs.

Wouldn't more buyers be more money?

Also they seem to oddly relist very quickly after an hour. That's some afk reaction time.

[CreinCrein]

If I own I contracting company I'm not going to have two clients with two different sets of needs come into my office simultaneously; I'd go over each consultation one at a time. Setting an hour-long reminder isn't hard either. At the end of the day without concrete and indisputable evidence against sellers this trend isn't going to go away. Instead of witch hunting people that are supplying a service which has absolutely no impact on your gameplay, you relax at let them do them; just my opinion.

[Rogatum]

The above exchange is what GM's have to deal with unless SE changes their policy. Within the rules many variables can exist, even if it seems strange when you look at it. They are not breaking the rules as listed. Cause it is possible to find reasons within the rules as to why they are posted. Most common one being it can simply be a mistake, even if as people we know it was intentional the policy itself does not have that luxary. I hope that makes sense.

May as well have a subforum here for selling runs.

To answer your question if SE did go to such a length I would avoid said forum. Just as I avoid the housing market sub reddit, or rmt sites. I get where you are coming from but the reality is only person you truly have control over is yourself, and it is good you are passionate about this cause but you run the risk burning yourself out long before change happens. If you feel that is worth it great, but I personally cannot see how that is enjoyable. Worrying about what others do must be tiresome and stressful.