Ultimate hiatus feedback

[YandereSenpai]

I don’t think I’d be so against more ultimate’s if they didn’t have the strict ilevel lock which makes them only for a small player base once the content is no longer current or maybe if they split the fight up a little so that alongside the full fight they did an easier fight with just the primals from this one for example just so more content comes out of the production time for it.

Ultimate Series is a content targeting players who cleared Savage and seeking for further challenges. If you're having difficulty to clear Savage, Ultimate probably isn't a fight for you. Ultimate Coils fight synced to ilvl 345 currently making the fight more accessible.

[HyoMinPark]

I don’t think I’d be so against more ultimate’s if they didn’t have the strict ilevel lock which makes them only for a small player base once the content is no longer current or maybe if they split the fight up a little so that alongside the full fight they did an easier fight with just the primals from this one for example just so more content comes out of the production time for it.

For the item level lock, removing it removes the challenge. I’d rather not be able to do UCoB in i370 or even i400 (or whatever the final tier item level will be) because it just trivializes the content. Players already get to steamroll older tiers of Savage and older Extreme primals as the item level increases; I’d rather not them be able to do that to Ultimate. If they ever did, remove the rewards from it—no title, no weapon. It defeats the purpose, and let’s face it: those are the raiders’ trophies for beating the hardest content in the game.

If you’re concerned about item level, pieces of +2 Eureka gear and the new i345 dungeon gear are actually BiS for UCoB. You don’t even need to do Neo for Genji weapons unless you want a proper i345 weapon (provided that the +2 Eureka weapon has bad substats or if you don’t care about substats and just want weapon damage).

I’m also against splitting the fight in any way. That also removes the challenge of a gauntlet-style encounter. If you really want to experience just the primals aspect, the old Extreme primals are still there and minimum ilvl is an option in PF. No more “easier fights”; everything is getting watered down to be “easier” over time in this game anyways with gear progression. I don’t want to see any more high-end content get easier because people are reluctant to dedicate the time to it—be it to improving themselves for the content or just progging it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

If you where clearing either of those when they where current then you really are a very skilled player but I find it patronising when people start trying throwing around that fights aren't still challenging. It's fine to say the fights aren't as hard as you'd like there a good debate to had there but when people start dramatically underplaying them then I think it shows an unpleasant cliqueness.
I'd agree Alte was probably under-tuned given I was able to clear it on release week with PUGs.

People generally make that distinction based on what came before. For new raiders, yes, Chadarnok Savage may be a wake up call, but I wouldn't consider him an overly challenging fight once you've seen his mechanics. I don't say that to be patronizing, but I simply don't find it difficult. Of course, perspectives will differ, I'll grant you.

I don’t think I’d be so against more ultimate’s if they didn’t have the strict ilevel lock which makes them only for a small player base once the content is no longer current or maybe if they split the fight up a little so that alongside the full fight they did an easier fight with just the primals from this one for example just so more content comes out of the production time for it.

Allowing people to unsync Ultimate defeats the entire purpose. It exists to be an extremely difficult fight. If people can go in with a higher ilvl or unsync it come the next expansion, what was once challenging now gets gradually steamrolled. I mean, look at the sad state of Heavensward content. Brute Justice Savage can be four manned nowadays. One of the most difficult fights in the game has been reduced to a light party farm, if you're good enough. It's even worse with ARR. I can solo Garuda, Titan, Ifrit and Leviathan on a DPS. Their damage is so pitiful, you can shrug it off. While unsyncing Ultimate doesn't take away the achievement of those who clear at its most difficult, it does lose a fair bit of luster when everyone can go and obtain the title and weapons without a fraction of the effort.

Ultimate isn't meant to be content for everyone. It's something for those seeking a challenge hence why it reuses assets to limit development costs. This is hardcore raider content. You get everything else, including Savage. This is ours.

[lulunami]

I'd say that way underestimates the difficulty of some of the content, and I'd say shows off the patronising attitude of the higher levels raiders. The current savage fights are still very channelling fights and I do hate the attitude that runs through these treads that they're easy. They might not be as challenging as you want but they are still hard fights.

I was not trying to be patronizing. Perhaps I am partially biased, but that is my opinion of the relative difficulty based on my experience through all that content. I do confess that I could have been more granular with my assessment, but not everyone is going to agree on categories or labels.

[Vherkin]

I'm not a hardcore player but i approve of this message

[RiyahArp]

I think it would have helped if Yoshi were a bit more detailed and honest why he did it. I have the feeling if he gave statistics it probably would validate his view. Sometimes he's too curt for his own good.

[Aitheron]

The fact that people seem to think Square Enix will just up and be like “hey youre right! Lets build a new ultimate before 4.5 and release it!” Given their track record of literally doing whatever they want and listening to no one is hilarious, do you honestly believe they’d read this and start making an ultimate fight from scratch when the decision to go on hiatus was probably made months ago? Ultimate is great sure but same thing is gonna happen as it did in 2.0 and 3.0. Last tier comes out people clear it and Unsub till next expac nothing new going on

[Singularity]

To Dev Team:
Please don't listen to them, they may be famous for being top raid group but they don't represent for all of FFXIV community.
Dev team should put all resource in developing next expansion's contents.
Only less than 1% of players can clear a new ultimate content in 4.5, and it will be dead as soon as 5.0 arrives.
Please don't waste any cost on this kind of content.

開発チームへ：
この人たちの意見を参考しないでください。彼らはファーストレイドチームとして有名ですが、すべてのFFXIVプレイヤーを代表できるわけではありません。
開発チームは資源を次の拡張に集中すべきです。
4.5で絶を出しても１％未満のプレイヤーしかクリアできません、そして5.0が出たらこの絶はすぐ死にコンテンツになります。
こんなコンテンツにコストをかけないでください。

Japanese comment, JP home server. I wonder if the "community feedback" SE is basing the decision on came mainly from the JP community. Anyone able to read Japanese know what the sentiment is like over there?

[Australian]

I'm fine with their decision as its the correct call to make. Am I a bit upset about it? Sure, but I also don't want the Ultimate's to be churned out on a conveyor belt to appease a very vocal minority of the player base at the expense of the overall experience.

[Remedi]

I want to make this clear.
The ppl working for the patch contents are not the same working for the expansion. The expansion content is already beign done. Work on it probably started the moment SB launched,
As such cutting patch content doesn't really mean they will be working on the expansion more.

@Singularity,; It's why I say that we can't really take forum voices as voice of the ppl since
1) as this thread have shown many ppl don't post here that much
2) opinions on the forums are varied

Personally I think they hear about streamers more than other players though, since I've seen a more cordial conversation than I expected with yoshida even saying he was watching the streams. Now I don't want to say hunt the witches ofc and I admit it might just be my impression.
However it's possible that they are using streamers to gauge players feedback since streamers are more or less an aggregation of players