"Support Desk" Question on violation

[Akamadoshi]

I have a question what is defined as bad behavior
I was doing EX roulette and the tank was pull-happy, healer was unable to catch up- wiped twice but shortly after I suddenly was taken into world again "You have been dismissed from the group"
When the tank got tired of his terrible tanking he excused himself with "let's not pull big then" whereas I of course have to open my big mouth and add a joke "I don't mind either way. I am a living macro rotating same buttons while watching youtube"

(it's a good RDM joke!)
So I was thinking maybe they did not find my humor amusing and kicked me for believing I was..magically surviving while macro-managing?(ha)
Being upset, hurt(but made myself laugh again)I don't think it's something to report but the rudeness is so unsettling I even asked them in tell despite from other servers what it was for, and none had the balls to answer.
Would this even be considered violation..I feel hurt tho!

[HyoMinPark]

I even asked them in tell despite from other servers what it was for, and none had the balls to answer.

Just an FYI, but you cannot send or respond to cross-server tells to anyone not on your friend’s list; you can only send them to people registered in Party Finder, but ironically they cannot reply to you unless you are on their friend’s list. Also, if they were in a duty, then the tells would have been blocked anyways as tells cannot be sent or received in duties.

As for the topic, I mean, I hope you’re joking about using macros and watching YouTube in a duty. After two wipes, the joke could have been interpreted as being made in very poor taste, especially if you were the healer. Not sure if it would really warrant a kick, but I would probably not be too thrilled if my healer told me they were using macros and watching YT after we had wiped twice.

[Akamadoshi]

As for the topic, I mean, I hope you’re joking about using macros and watching YouTube in a duty. After two wipes, the joke could have been interpreted as being made in very poor taste, especially if you were the healer. Not sure if it would really warrant a kick, but I would probably not be too thrilled if my healer told me they were using macros and watching YT after we had wiped twice.

It's an RDM rotation joke! Of course I was joking. I was the only survival during the 2 wipes, and I was mana curing too!

[HyoMinPark]

It's an RDM rotation joke! Of course I was joking. I was the only survival during the 2 wipes, and I was mana curing too!

Did you try to raise any of the players that went down? They could have been angry at you not trying to raise them.

He was a DPS Hyomin, pity I can send MP in this forum.

Yeah he clarified.

If he didn’t try to raise people that died, they could have been a bit salty over it. Or they were in no mood for jokes after two wipes/thought he was trolling? There’s really a myriad of reasons, and without more to really go on, it’s difficult to say what their motivation was. Don’t really think it warrants a kick, but that’s me.

[Vidu]

Most likely: No, it would not be considered a violation.
People are allowed to dismiss someone for "difference in playstyle". Unless they insulted you or told you in chat that they would dismiss you because they didnt like your face, they were in their right to kick you if they felt your playstyle didnt match theirs.

Your so called "joke" also comes off to me as if you werent paying attention, when you totally should have. Specially in a run thats having issues already, indicating that you're semi-afk isnt the best idea. To me that kind of behaviour already seems rude, to be honest - neither they nor I know if you've really been watching youtube and hitting macros (...please dont - never use macros for skills, unless it is to inform your party that you used said skill), but it gives out the vibe of "I dont care if I'm here or not". Depending on my mood - and on how well you played before - I would have probably dismissed you too. With the mindset off "Okay, if that guy wants to watch Youtube-videos... lets do him the favour of getting him out of here so he can focus his attention on that."

The fact that you sended them a /tell later could actually earn you a report, as far as I'm aware - for harrassment. Obviously that depends on how you worded it though...

Bottomline: As long as they weren insulting you directly, they can remove you from the group and dungeon with the reason of "playstyle" not matching.

And since I know that will spark a discussion about wether or not "difference in playstyle" is a good and legit reason to kick someone, here are my two cents:
Yes, yes it is. We need it to remove people who make runs hell - healers not healing, tanks despite being asked to use their tank-abilities not tanking, horrible DPS (the famous ice-mage!).
Bit extreme in this case, but if someone is giving me the impression that they dont care about the run, I'll just assume that they'd rather be doing something else...

[Hamada]

I know someone that plays rdm purely to prevent these situations. She says she pays close attention to the party list and if the healer is unable to keep up she heals. Depending on the situation, what was said, how the run went, she prob would kick someone for making that comment, it really depends what happened before leading up to it though. Some people pay close attention and really work to make the runs as smooth as possible and if run is not going well while she is working extra hard, that can be seen as a big insult.

As for not responding to your tells, assuming they are on the same server, well, that is how the game is, people are less social in general in ffxiv.

[Iscah]

It doesn’t come across as “joking that you’re watching Youtube” but rather as “watching YouTube and joking about it” instead of paying proper attention to the fight.

Rightly or wrongly, if the fight is going badly and then someone declares that they’re not even trying, people are going to assume they’re at least part of the problem. And/or they might not want to carry “the YouTube watcher” through the fight while having to put in even more effort because someone else isn’t.

[Stormfur]

Well, I would've cracked a smile at that...definitely not warranting a kick IMO but who knows..some folks are touchy about humor.

[Skivvy]

Well, I would've cracked a smile at that...definitely not warranting a kick IMO but who knows..some folks are touchy about humor.

There is a time and place to try your humor on people. Good rule of thumb - best not to joke playing by macro while watching YouTube after the group has wiped two times in a dungeon where a single wipe rarely happens.

[Tiaque]

There is a time and place to try your humor on people. Good rule of thumb - best not to joke playing by macro while watching YouTube after the group has wiped two times in a dungeon where a single wipe rarely happens.

Its sad the majority of the playerbase has the temper tantrum and patience equivalence of a toddler. Sighs...I miss the golden age days.