"Support Desk" Question on violation

[Iscah]

It doesn’t come across as “joking that you’re watching Youtube” but rather as “watching YouTube and joking about it” instead of paying proper attention to the fight.

Rightly or wrongly, if the fight is going badly and then someone declares that they’re not even trying, people are going to assume they’re at least part of the problem. And/or they might not want to carry “the YouTube watcher” through the fight while having to put in even more effort because someone else isn’t.

[Stormfur]

Well, I would've cracked a smile at that...definitely not warranting a kick IMO but who knows..some folks are touchy about humor.

[Skivvy]

Well, I would've cracked a smile at that...definitely not warranting a kick IMO but who knows..some folks are touchy about humor.

There is a time and place to try your humor on people. Good rule of thumb - best not to joke playing by macro while watching YouTube after the group has wiped two times in a dungeon where a single wipe rarely happens.

[Tiaque]

There is a time and place to try your humor on people. Good rule of thumb - best not to joke playing by macro while watching YouTube after the group has wiped two times in a dungeon where a single wipe rarely happens.

Its sad the majority of the playerbase has the temper tantrum and patience equivalence of a toddler. Sighs...I miss the golden age days.

[Iscah]

I even asked them in tell despite from other servers what it was for, and none had the balls to answer.

On this point, do you have your chat log set up so you might not have received an error message saying something like "your message was not sent because the player is not on your friends list"? Because I'm pretty sure that's all you'll normally get if you try to send /tells to random people. It's quite likely they never received your message.

[Akamadoshi]

How can someone watch you tube while macroing tho.
Joking - sarcasm - taken serious or not.
I also was a BLM by the way and the issue was tank's huge pull and no respect for the healer able to catch up
But I have manaward, and we had an RDM in there. (plot twist)

anyway - my point of the topic got interesting. You guys say basically it is okay for someone to kick someone for playing their class not accordingly that would benefit themselves.

I feel different about this (and the discussion continues)... (Also I play NA server, not knowing English is your own problem: English is my 4th language)

[aesteval]

Doesn't sound like anyone did anything worth reporting based on what you say. You may not like having been kicked, but if someone initiated a vote kick because you made a joke and the vote kick passes, that's the group's prerogative. It's not worth dwelling on.

[-BlueGreen-]

you can only send them to people registered in Party Finder, but ironically they cannot reply to you unless you are on their friend’s list.

I ran into this situation a couple of weeks back where someone sent me a cross-world tell for a PF I was leading. After scratching my head for a bit trying to figure out how to respond to their question, I finally remembered about /r. Turns out that does work in such cases.

[Tiaque]

Fluffy, cheesy, Omelettes.

Again, very abuse prone rule, just because you may have been lucky so far to not suffer it, does not mean many others haven't had happen many times, and thus cant do anything about it but have time wasted and their day ruined, if it was not bad already.

And yes I seen players with miqote voice 5 kicked too, 7 times so far. One of em was even a tank!

[Vidu]

Again, very abuse prone rule, just because you may have been lucky so far to not suffer it, does not mean many others haven't had happen many times, and thus cant do anything about it but have time wasted and their day ruined, if it was not bad already.

And yes I seen players with miqote voice 5 kicked too, 7 times so far. One of em was even a tank!

Let me raise you this scenario then:

You've waited for your queue to pop! 20 minutes, 30 minutes... 40 minutes! Yeah! Finally! Doma Castle, its happening!

But... what is that? Ohoh... the tank has like 15k HP... you check the gear - Jesus! There is even some Ironworks left there! A second ring is missing, the weapon is the ilvl180 one you could get at the end of 3.0! Never the less hes attempting big pulls - and already dying on the way between group one and two. Not even the best healer could keep up when normal mobs are one-shoting that guy whos never heard of a cooldown in his life, apparently. Its very clear that you wont be able to finish this dungeon in an enjoyable and timely matter for all of you, because of that tank, who isnt afk, offline or calling you names. Infact, hes staying silent, not reacting to anything you say from "Dont you have better gear you could use?" to "Please turn on your tankstance at least!"
But you know that there are people online... friends - in your FC, in your Linkshells. Decent tanks. Well-geared. Able to do a decent run of Doma-castle... for the three of you, who waited for 20, 30, 40 minutes to get in here. If you could just remove that useless tank...!
Yes, you could leave if you dont want to play with them - and see your 40 minutes queue go to waste because of one person, while you and the two others are completly capable of running the dungeon (give you have a proper party-set-up).

I've seen situations like that - maybe less extreme, but all including undergeard, uncooperative people in any kind of content, from a healer in Sastasha NM who would literally not cast cure to people not having finished their level 70 jobquests and therefor lacking the 290 gear and important skills in Post-Shinryu content - far, far more often than "abusive votekicks".

I have kicked and replaced people in dungeons who werent willing or able to perform to reasonable expectations the group had and it made all those runs way more sucessful and enjoyable for everyone involved.

If an unjustified kick happens, that is very unfortunate and I truely feel sorry for the person that has been removed without a proper reason - but I also feel sorry for the group that is stuck with a terrible tank/healer/dps thats disruptive with or without noticing it. And in my personal experience and from all that I've been reading on the forums (do you know that "share a DF-story-thread"?) and heard from friends, thats happening far, far more often.