Being a bad mentor(we should be able to report ppl for being a bad mentor)

[Mixt]

Sure, let's play "Enable the jerkass"

I'm sure there's no way letting him have his way, thereby reinforcing the idea that he is the most important being in existence and everyone and everything else is below him and none of them matter could possibly go wrong...

[Penthea]

Even if the person is a jerk, you trying to kick that person cause you think he's a "bad mentor" makes you look just as bad.

If you don't like it, then leave the party. Soon as you do leave, people will know who tried to vote kick.

Are you seriously trying to say that trying to remove someone you think is bad...is a bad thing?

I agree you can just leave but why not try to use the tool that is designed to remove an unwanted person? If that doesn't work you can of course leave. Skipping the vote kick step isn't necessarily good advice as it is possible you're not the only one who feels they must be removed. You potentially deprive players of playing with like-minded people if you leave without trying to vote.

The few times I did leave when a vote kick didn't work I honestly didn't care if anyone knew I initiated it or not. No one else seemed to either as I never heard from anyone involved ever again. I haven't heard of anyone being chased over a vote kick. I'm sure it has happened but my impression is that it's rare.

[RiyahArp]

Are you seriously trying to say that trying to remove someone you think is bad...is a bad thing?

Well in the situation of the post (synced ex trial) there's a good chance you kick them to vote abandon in ten minutes anyways, not many people do them. Keep in mind though that once one person leaves or is kicked, many others will leave too sometimes.

[Akamadoshi]

I play this game new & all this time I have played in roulette, the mentors were always tight-lipped.It was either the other green sprouts helping me or I was helping them, or someone without a mentor icon to help out. I was wondering this for a long time.
People are people, loses patience, so do mentors- but if you have mentor icon I believe the argument flows that they get punished harder for losing it more than if a casual player did.I have 2 days ago met 2 different people who both are mentors and helped me during FATE at random.
Later they admitted they were mentors and I never understood why they keep it hidden or reveal it so quietly.
They said they have no icon due to the lashback of it. The other said because they have to be careful with words.

As I read this a bell goes off.

Sharing own experience and keeping opinion maturely and respectively would help the source more than proving self right.
Everyone, mentor or not, should express opinion in more formidable way.

[Sigma-Astra]

There are days where I want the Mentor crown to let players know that I don't mind helping them....and then, I remember the other kinds of people with the Mentor crown and the negative stigma behind it all.

I'd rather just continue to help people without the stupid crown. My SO doesn't even wear his simply because of all the bad publicity that most other Mentors have given it.

[Odstarva]

There are days where I want the Mentor crown to let players know that I don't mind helping them....and I remember the other kinds of people with the Mentor crown and the negative stigma behind it all.

I'd rather just continue to help people without the stupid crown. My SO doesn't even wear his simply because of all the bad publicity that most other Mentors have given it.

My feelings exactly. The only time I ever put the crown on is when I'm in a party with a sprout, and only because they get an exp bonus from it (though, from what I understand, that may not even be a requirement anymore?)

[Thamorian]

Related to discussion but not directed at OP post.

Got to page 9 before I stopped reading. I help where I can on my server. I am a mentor but I don't wear the crown but I will sit in NN and answer what questions I can. The way I take what SE wants mentors to be able to teach with is base gameplay mechanics and basic questions (how do I enable more hotbars, how do I change my HuD, where is Limsa, what is a lvl 30 paladin rotation). I never took it as SE wants mentors to know end game dungeons. Ex primals may not be current end game but they were end game at one point and can be quite difficult sync'd, some are still currently difficult for a group unsync'd because mechanics instant kill because 2 or 3 people can't do the mechanics and wipe the group and just don't learn (but that's a separate issue if you doing unsync'd). But I will agree that there is a difference between "Sorry, I don't know this fight, I can't explain it." (whether that's true or not) and a person being rude and/or aggressive.

And I have run into a lot of people who ignore you, some who are rude people, and with a few being down right vitriolic when you try to be nice and let them know "Hey (lvl 70 BLM), I've noticed you are casting Fire 1 a lot then using Transpose then just using Blizzard 1 then transposing back to Fire 1 a lot. Doing damage like that is pretty low. I can teach you what a better rotation is." only to be ignored. People, all types, from sprout to mentor, not wanting to take responsibility for themselves. Lvl 70 BLM is a true story, I'll admit this guy was also a mentor, but this was memorable to be because he was a mentor. I've ran into other players like that too who are sprouts, returners, and regular. I don't think there is a higher percentage of mentors over sprouts or regular players who don't know how play their job, I think they are roughly the same percentage-wise/per capita. Mentors are just more memorable because of that crown.

And I haven't done a mentor roulette myself, but what I have heard from others, most mentor roulettes get regular dungeons and guildhests. Mentor roulette kinda looks more like a fill-all to me more than something mentors are supposed to teach. May or may not be the way SE views them, just how I personally view it. Something to help duty finder fill with people with whats needed where. And with mentor roulette being a fill-all regardless of whatever its other intended purpose was, a mentor may not know the dungeon/fight they get thrown into, can't choose the dungeon you get thrown into with roulettes. If a mentor doesn't know a Trials roulette fight they are thrown into, are you gonna blame them for not know that fight either? Remember, mentor requirements aren't that hard to reach, and don't require you knowing fights. SE did not make that a requirement. There's a couple level 50 dungeons I haven't completed on this character, didn't stop my character from being flagged a mentor. Completing all dungeons isn't a requirement for getting mentor status.

So here's my questions you everyone in this thread. How much do you expect a mentor to know about the game and be able to explain? Do you expect them to be able to do all Extreme primals? Savage raids? Non-savage raids? Are they supposed to know how all jobs play and how to do the best openers and correct rotations? Are they also supposed to be able to teach you about gathering and crafting even if they've never done it? How much do you expect each individual mentor to know? Because what you expect them to know may not be the same what SE expect them to know.

[Alleo]

Looks like you need a review of what a mentor is supposed to be.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3d2c4227dfdc2e

Let me quote the pertinent information:



If someone doesn't want to behave as described by SE, then they should turn off their mentor status. Yes, it means they aren't going to get credit toward the mentor roulette but the mount is a reward for being helpful, not for having a crown attached to your name.

If the player is not acting appropriately for a mentor, they absolutely should be reported so SE can remove them from the program.

The question is, are you still a new adventurer when you are lvl 70 and going into an extreme fight? Because for me someone new is someone at least under 50/60 that is still learning to play their job and might need some help in lower dungeons to get a grip on how to do their job. So for me putting those ex trials in the roulette was already a big mistake from SE because ex trials are not for really new people. This is content that you do with a static or a group that will need to train for a few rounds. Or can someone really say that they find it possible to explain something like Thordan Ex or Nidhogg Ex to complete strangers that might have never even seen the fight? Especially if its from roulette thus the mentor itself might not know about this 100% too.

[Thamorian]

The question is, are you still a new adventurer when you are lvl 70 and going into an extreme fight? Because for me someone new is someone at least under 50/60 that is still learning to play their job and might need some help in lower dungeons to get a grip on how to do their job. So for me putting those ex trials in the roulette was already a big mistake from SE because ex trials are not for really new people. This is content that you do with a static or a group that will need to train for a few rounds. Or can someone really say that they find it possible to explain something like Thordan Ex or Nidhogg Ex to complete strangers that might have never even seen the fight? Especially if its from roulette thus the mentor itself might not know about this 100% too.

That's probably the real issue here. Extreme primals need to be relegated to party finder only. If it is sync'd extreme primal, I'd still consider it "end game", even if not current end game. And you can still be a new player even at lvl 70. First job you play just hit lvl 70, just get your lvl 70 job skill. That lvl 70 job skill changes how you play your job. And they've been skating by with a basic rotation up until then.

[Penthea]

So here's my questions you everyone in this thread. How much do you expect a mentor to know about the game and be able to explain? Do you expect them to be able to do all Extreme primals? Savage raids? Non-savage raids? Are they supposed to know how all jobs play and how to do the best openers and correct rotations? Are they also supposed to be able to teach you about gathering and crafting even if they've never done it? How much do you expect each individual mentor to know? Because what you expect them to know may not be the same what SE expect them to know.

I expect them to not tell sprouts that they're a waste of their time just because they got an ex primal in mentor roulette. It's not the sprout's fault that happened. No need to be rude to them.

As for the extent of knowledge, it's best to be honest. Say you don't know something if you really don't know, try to make an educated guess and direct people to where they can find out more detailed information. That is still providing gameplay advice. I don't think anyone expects mentors to be walking encyclopedias. Anyway being honest about not knowing something shows new players that not even veterans know everything so it might make the game less intimidating for them.