Being a bad mentor(we should be able to report ppl for being a bad mentor)

[Alleo]

I really dont understand how having a mentor in an extreme trial with you will mean that its more successfull? Even if the mentor is one of the best players existing in the game and explains everything it can still fail because this is a 8 man extreme trial and one person alone cant carry it. I can understand how it might seem annoying that the mentor did not explain much, or anything at all but having to explain everything in an extreme trial is imo not the job of a mentor and if you are going into this blind (which you did not) you have to learn yourself otherwise you should inform yourself a bit because a lot of the extreme trials can be a bit hard to explain.

Mentors for me are people that are helping in normal content and even then it could just simply be that people forget stuff after a time. I am not saying that the person was not a bad mentor or bad player but no we should not report people for that..because if we do this..lets start reporting people for a carry too, or if you wipe the group..If you start punishing people for this with a ban (which is really harsh..) you will just have less people playing as a mentor because they could just be reported for the smallest things..thus good mentors too.

If they were rude report them for that, otherwise it would just be the best to move on.

Ive recently come back to the game and leveled a couple of classes from 60-70. When running dungeons, I've found that the mentors are often the worst players. Sprouts usually outplay them. It's kind of strange. I didn't play for three years, and don't remember this being a thing back then.

I got into a group last night with 3 other mentors, and it went about as expected. I couldn't do big pulls, and two of the boss fights were a challenge. I try not to judge based on this stuff, but I'm almost to the point of giving a deep sigh every time I'm grouped with multiple mentors.

There are probably a lot of bad mentors out there because you only need certain points to be one but you can say there are probably even more bad players in the game. But since someone is wearing a crown symbol they are noticed more often, thus you remember them even more. This gives the feeling that there are more bad mentors than other players. Which is one of the reasons why good mentors have a bad time too. I honestly dont put my symbol out that much because I fear that any mistake I ever make will just be put down to "ugh just another bad mentor". I just give help and advice without that. (It also doesnt help that I cant do mentor roulette since I normally dont do the current extreme trials thus I cant join it..I am still not sure who thought that it would be a good idea to put every single extreme trial in there and even synch..Thordan ex synch..without great coordination and new people..that is just a disaster waiting to happen)

IMO the mount should be put behind x amount of normal dungeon runs and extreme trials should be put out of the roulette and you might find more people that are willing to stick with it.

[HyoMinPark]

Yes both are protected under 3.2 and both are not wrong, OP and Mentor are both protected for their game experience under 3.2.

Simply asking questions to someone marked as a person whom should be receptive to said questions is not disrupting a player’s experience. Sorry to say.

[Ameela]

Mentors for me are people that are helping in normal content and even then it could just simply be that people forget stuff after a time. I am not saying that the person was not a bad mentor or bad player but no we should not report people for that..because if we do this..lets start reporting people for a carry too, or if you wipe the group..If you start punishing people for this with a ban (which is really harsh..) you will just have less people playing as a mentor because they could just be reported for the smallest things..thus good mentors too.

If mentors weren't expected to help with Extreme trials and the like, that content wouldn't be in the mentor roulette.
Don't want to teach people how to do these fights? Don't run the mentor roulette.
If you're unwilling to help players in anything but 4-man dungeons (where people very rarely need help anyway) and even go as far as to say that helping a group of sprouts is a waste of your time, then I'm sorry but you're a bad mentor.
I don't think this person should be banned, but I do think they should get their mentorship revoked or something, there's no point in stipulating rules for mentors which they can simply not follow and get away with it without as much as a slap on the wrist.

[RubixCube]

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But that wasn’t the case for this OP. They read the guide, studied the mechanics, and had even done a few runs before encountering this Mentor. Quite frankly, that’s better than I might hope for in some of the new ex trials. All they did was ask the Mentor (a role meant to exist to support and guide newbies) for that support.

Hyo-min has the right of it, the mentor shouldn’t have been doing mentor roulette or wearing the mentor crown if he didn’t want to be asked questions. Instead of being rude, at bare minimum he could have told the newbies about party finder.

[Sebazy]

Ah yes, my monthly reminder of why despite absolutely loving coaching and helping people through raid content, I’ll never go near that crown whilst the system is as it is.

There’s still a painful disparity between ‘casual’ dungeon, story and 24 man content where personal mistakes rarely have any impact on the proceedings, through to EX/Savage and Ultimate where it’s very possible for one weak link to totally scupper the run.

The end result is a bunch of sprouts with no idea of what they are about to get themselves into coupled with Mentors that simply don’t care.

No thanks.

[Kerwin]

Who will people blame for their incompetence if the mentor system get a taken away? Guess XIV just has a toxic community of players then?

[Jojoya]

Extremes are a bit more than “more harder” and you will find more success if you use the party finder. If you don’t want it to be faceroll easy then be sure to make it clear it’s a synced min item level first time clear.

It’s not really up to you what a mentor should be, either. These mentors are human too, with flaws and everything. If someone doesn’t want to hold your hand through harder content they don’t have to.

Looks like you need a review of what a mentor is supposed to be.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3d2c4227dfdc2e

Let me quote the pertinent information:

- What is a mentor?
Mentors are veteran players who chose to offer their time and experience to help guide new adventurers. To facilitate their assistance, mentors will gain access to a special chat channel as well as a means to easily register for duties and trials with new players.

If someone doesn't want to behave as described by SE, then they should turn off their mentor status. Yes, it means they aren't going to get credit toward the mentor roulette but the mount is a reward for being helpful, not for having a crown attached to your name.

If the player is not acting appropriately for a mentor, they absolutely should be reported so SE can remove them from the program.

[Akamadoshi]

If mentors weren't expected to help with Extreme trials and the like, that content wouldn't be in the mentor roulette.
Don't want to teach people how to do these fights? Don't run the mentor roulette.
If you're unwilling to help players in anything but 4-man dungeons (where people very rarely need help anyway) and even go as far as to say that helping a group of sprouts is a waste of your time, then I'm sorry but you're a bad mentor.

Can I give you a big hug? On top of that - if you do mentor roulette, only way people judge you being a mentor is by the icon.

Don't want to help? Hide icon. Simple. Want to help? Put that icon over your head so people know who to ask questions to.

[HyoMinPark]

Ah yes, my monthly reminder of why despite absolutely loving coaching and helping people through raid content, I’ll never go near that crown whilst the system is as it is.

There’s still a painful disparity between ‘casual’ dungeon, story and 24 man content where personal mistakes rarely have any impact on the proceedings, through to EX/Savage and Ultimate where it’s very possible for one weak link to totally scupper the run.

The end result is a bunch of sprouts with no idea of what they are about to get themselves into coupled with Mentors that simply don’t care.

No thanks.

Well, the sad thing is, is that the OP had actually studied up on the fight (Ramuh Ex). But reading guides/watching POVs can only do so much. What if they had just needed clarification on a particular mechanic (such as keeping up the stacks if they were the main tank)? This mentor shot them down by saying they weren’t worth their (the mentor’s) time, and that this mentor was only in here to get a mount.

Don’t wear a crown indicating that you’re willing to answer questions if you aren’t actually willing to answer the questions. And, since Mentor Roulette forces it on you, don’t queue up for it if you aren’t in the mood to mentor if someone asks for help. I understand not wanting to hand-hold people, but simple questions about mechanics are not a crime. :/

If Extremes aren’t meant to be content to be “taught”, then they should be removed from the Roulette. After all, they didn’t put any of Coil or Savage in there.

[Sotaris]

This thread is for sure entertaining to read.