Being a bad mentor(we should be able to report ppl for being a bad mentor)

[Mixt]

A mentor that pulls the "You are not worth my time, i just want the reward" card is a bad mentor, a bad player, and a jerk.
I will try to vote kick anyone who pulls that, and failing that i will leave myself, i'm not playing with that person.

[Linx0r]

This game got the whole idea of mentorship wrong. A mentor in this game is someone who grinds out a set of tasks. This is completely rediculous. A mentor is someone who can teach, who has patience, and well knowledged. The only way players can be given a title ‘mentor’ would be from other players who share and meet the same criteria I listed. Just remove the word ‘mentor’ in this game as clearly that isn’t what the players with the title are doin (myself included)

[BillyKaplan]

This game got the whole idea of mentorship wrong. A mentor in this game is someone who grinds out a set of tasks. This is completely rediculous. A mentor is someone who can teach, who has patience, and well knowledged. The only way players can be given a title ‘mentor’ would be from other players who share and meet the same criteria I listed. Just remove the word ‘mentor’ in this game as clearly that isn’t what the players with the title are doin (myself included)

Nah, it happens often enough in the Novice Network. Or at least it happens there more frequently than anywhere else. The problem starts with the 2k mount.
1. Tear the roulette apart from the mentor title
2. change the icon so less people want to wear it
3. Limit the ways in which someone can showcase they're a mentor both to protect people from their own expectations, and the Mentors from those same expectations.

[Tanathya]

5. You then downward spiral into hostility with personal attacks/insults over it.

This is what my posts in this thread are all about. Hostility. I'm not being hypocritical, I'm telling you outright I'm being hostile. Personal attacks? Not so much, but hostile? Sure, I am. Like I said, you think I'm being personal, but that is your problem. I can't be any more honest. But what we see as being hostile is just me being extremely blunt. I don't regret being hostile, as being nice took me nowhere.

[AppleJinx]

I would be more inclined to help sprouts in extreme arr primals too if all I had to explain was the fight mechanics but instead I see 99% of them not having a clue about how to play the job they are on. Moreover, it's often 7 sprouts with some jump potted mixed in so excuse me if I don't want to take the time to teach 7 sprouts how to play their job individually on top of explaining fight mechanics for each role every time I get a extreme in mentor roulette.

Edit: I forgot to mention sprouts that just totally ignore your advice or calls you names for daring to offer advice to "spoil" their first time experience after 2-3 wipes to the same mechanics. I'll admit I'll never ever touch this roulette if there were no rewards that I find worthwhile attached to it but I am prepared to teach sprouts when I do run into them, just not become their baby sitter and take any sort of shit they sling my way.

[Penthea]

I might be in the minority but in my eyes a mentor is just another player, I am not going to hold them to a higher standard because they have a crown next to their name. You run into helpful people and you run into not so helpful a crown has very little to determine that.

The crown is supposed to symbolise that the person is knowledgeable about the game and is willing to lend their knowledge to others. If someone doesn't want to be held to the standard the crown symbolises...then take off the damn crown.

That being said a large amount of mentors I come across are either rude or pretty bad at the game. At this point I'm pleasantly surprised when they're mannerly and average.

Personally I think people expect far too much from "mentors" and by no means do I buy that they should be held to some paragon standard

I don't think expecting a mentor to be polite and competent at the game is holding someone to a paragon standard.

[alimdia]

Like I've mentioned in the past, there's no difference between Ramuh EX and Tsukuyomi EX (I guess it's okay to say the name after what happened in E3). You don't go to Tsukuyomi EX demanding anyone with a crown to explain the fight for you, you shouldn't do the same in any of the previous extremes, anyone who believes otherwise has a very misguided view of what is the mentor system, because none of the unlock requirements ever point out you're there to teach end game fights, this is an unrealistic community expectation.

[Vidu]

Just to share this anecdote: I recently got Ultima HM in mentor roulette. As scholar. I'd never healed the fight before (I main a tank, but I can only do so many tank-runs in one day) - but previous to Ultima I helped many people with both inprogress and normal dungeon runs through my mentor roulette.

For Ultima however I got the following:
- a warrior who wasnt able to perform the tank-sawp despite it being explained mutliple times and both me and the paladin asking for provoke (with soundeffect!) in groupchat everytime he had to
- a samurai with ilvl 5-30 jewls
- a pull happy paladin who didnt let me finish anything explantions, so I had to give tips while healing, raising and doing mechanics myself
- a new whm who was trying her best, but that best wasnt to much

I hardcore carried that group - we actually got the kill after about 35 minutes and 3 or 4 wipes.
And you know what? People complained how long that took.
I also got no thanks, no commendation.
It was all in all a very frustrating experience - and that was even a sucessful one.

I dont want to be mean or rude and that mentor in question worded it badly, but my advice to anyone during a DF-Ex-Primal would be: Look for a PF-group. Do it unsyched, if you can - or synched if you care to do it for real, but be aware that its not DF-content and no cakewalk.
I feel thats honestly the best advice to give to a new group in Ramuh Ex (or most other Ex-primals).
I remember that it took my static - a team of people that knew each other and was using voice-chat for call-outs - two or three evenings to kill Ramuh Ex back then.
One hour is barely enough most of the time and no matter how helpful you are: the payout is horrible. I got yelled at because I refused to pull in Shiva Ex before explaining all mechanics - not because the group wanted a blind run but because the BLM got impatient.
A lot of people - maybe not the OP - dont realise that Ex-primals arent faceroll-easy content anymore and they dont bring the gear, skill or patience to actually clear them.

And sorry, if we wipe for an hour because the OT doesnt understand how to tank-sawp (despite getting explantions) thats truely a waste of my time. Personally, I'd still give it one or two tries to see if the group is truely hopeless, but explaining a complex fight when people already get mad when you try to explain basic job-mechanics? Or are so impatient to just get in there that they dont even let you finish your explantion - even after you wiped three times already and arent getting anywhere?
No, thanks - my (mentor)-time is better spend running 2 or 3 dungeons that need someone in that time.

Edit: I really wish the game itself would communicate more clearly that Ex-primals arent really DF-content. Just a short pop-up when queuing saying "Hey, please be aware that this is more difficult content than a dungeon. You'll have to work as team and figure out more complicated mechanics. Make sure your gear is up-to-date and you're ready to face a real challenge!"

[MoroMurasaki]

I just don't care anymore, which is something you can't seem to understand.

And yes, you do sound like you're pretty self-righteous as much as you think I'm childish. But, like I mentioned quite a few times in this thread, I don't care. I'm done with the community altogether. If you wanna keep going, go ahead, I'll stop here as we're not gonna solve anything.

It's not that I'm hostile to everyone, it's just that I'm blunt, ergo hostile, period. The difference resides in that me being like that doesn't depend on the other part. It's not a rant really, it's me not giving any flying eff.

If you're so over the community and beyond caring about it... why are you here?

To be honest I would be on your side with a lot of this if you didn't go at the OP and then other people so hard.

I think people are too hard on mentors. I hate the "a mentor kicked my dog" meme, I think it's overplayed into stupidity. I think there are people out there who think they're entitled to the time and effort of another player beyond what is reasonable. SE isn't paying me to wear that crown, I'm not spending a full lockout in Shinryu EX when more than half the party can't consistantly make it past the first Tidal Wave. I also don't think bad mentors are as common as everyone complains they are. You don't notice the good or passable players, the bad ones stand out.

I think the playerbase expects far too much from mentors but on the other hand I think SE expects far too little, the large gap between these two places creates all this drama and it's stupid. SE should be clarifying this but they aren't because they like money and never want to do anything that will offend or alienate any part of the playerbase.

So yeah - don't act like people are getting on your case because your opinions are so controversial. I am not asking for you to sugarcoat anything, just asking for you to show a basic level of respect for your fellow players which you clearly haven't been doing. You aren't edgey, you aren't cool for not caring about all this - you're logged on to the OF like the rest of us when you could be somewhere else. You care. That's fine! So does everyone else here to some extent... just don't be a total (insert expelative of your choice here) about it and you're fine.

Edit: I really wish the game itself would communicate more clearly that Ex-primals arent really DF-content. Just a short pop-up when queuing saying "Hey, please be aware that this is more difficult content than a dungeon. You'll have to work as team and figure out more complicated mechanics. Make sure your gear is up-to-date and you're ready to face a real challenge!"

Amen to every last bit of this as well as the post it was attached to.

[Paladinleeds]

I'm the sort of player that will do my best to teach, be humble if I can't remember a fight (which does happen) and explain that "Sorry, but I can't remember this fight, so let's learn it together". Generally speaking I don't have issues when I mentor. I had to kick someone as a mentor though, when mentor roulette gave me Garuda Ex with a WAR that had like level 15 gladiator (this was back in HW when cross-classes revolved around levelling other classes, rather than the role skills we have now). But we tried to do it without needing the tank swap. We just could not do it, so the tank had to be removed after about 5 attempts. Other mentor then swapped from DRG to tank, and we managed to 7 man it for the most part (some other DPS joined when Garuda was at about 5%).

Amen to every last bit of this as well as the post it was attached to.

Yeah, that's something else I'd like to see. A warning would not go amiss.