Most samurais ive met never used AOE

[Lium]

Haha, who uses Goad?

Seriously, the amount of times I've seen it can be counted on one hand. First time I saw it, I had to do a double take.

My sarcasm meter is often broken, but in case you were being serious, Goad is actually important at lower levels. Tanks in low level dungeon runs often run out of TP. Having a SAM (or other job) in the group that knows when to use Goad can be invaluable. At higher levels, this doesn't seem to be an issue, as gear and other skills come into play.

[TaiyoShikasu]

I am not joking. Melee that use Goad are unicorns.

[Ryaz]

I am not joking. Melee that use Goad are unicorns.

Then I guess I'm a unicorn.

I always have Goad in my set up, along with Invigorate, True North, Diversion and Bloodbath. If I have a good tank, I will occasionally swap out Diversion for Second Wind.

[HyoMinPark]

There are three role skills I'll always have as BRD/MCH, Peloton, Refresh, and Tactician.

Because once I can get Palisade... what else is there? Stuns are unreliable in dungeons, since everybody spams them to high heaven (and bosses ignore them), silences aren't 100% obvious on whether the current skill can be stopped with it (and also are almost always ignored by bosses), and the less said about roots and heavy the better.

So what should I have instead of Peloton?

You should take Refresh, Tactician, Palisade, Second Wind, and Invigorate. The first two are self-explanatory. The third is a pretty powerful and free tank cooldown. The fourth: you can never go wrong with self-heals, and it can save your healer a GCD if you accidentally get clipped by something. And the fifth you use for more AOE. In dungeons, I typically do Invigorate one pull, Tactician the next, and Invigorate is usually back up for the third (or close to being back up).

[Tsurayu]

Honestly I see this issue a lot on melee classes in general.

I really think people just can't do basic math in their head.

"Ooo! This single target combo nets me 500 potency! But this AoE is only 200 potency? Why would I ever use that?! ... what do you mean it's better if there are three or more targets?! 500 > 200. Duh"

Yes, I know gross exaggeration and a poor example, but my general point is made nevertheless. XD

[Ryaz]

I actually noticed this the other day while tanking Shisui. Had to pull small in the first place because the healer wasn't that good, but everything was dying so slowly. Turns out both the monk and black mage (of all things) were single targetting everything. And apparently rarely even attacked the same target.

[Shiroe]

I actually noticed this the other day while tanking Shisui. Had to pull small in the first place because the healer wasn't that good, but everything was dying so slowly. Turns out both the monk and black mage (of all things) were single targetting everything. And apparently rarely even attacked the same target.

the mnk and blm were trying to pull aggro off the tank, to see who can pull it oiff first (trolls)

or both were trying to kill theyre adds faster, like a race, whos add dies faster (noob like)

seen it when tanking as war or recently as drk

[Ryaz]

the mnk and blm were trying to pull aggro off the tank, to see who can pull it oiff first (trolls)

or both were trying to kill theyre adds faster, like a race, whos add dies faster (noob like)

seen it when tanking as war or recently as drk

I thought it was that at first, too, but they just were terrible dps. The bosses took forever to die. Twice as long as usual.

[Lium]

the mnk and blm were trying to pull aggro off the tank, to see who can pull it oiff first (trolls)

or both were trying to kill theyre adds faster, like a race, whos add dies faster (noob like)

seen it when tanking as war or recently as drk

You're probably going to hate me for saying this, but sometimes I attack different mobs than the tank and the other DPS because I know I can burn it down quickly, which often times culls the mobs much faster. I'm certainly not doing it to show off or beat the other DPS. I'm trying to be helpful. RDM AoE is mediocre. But on SAM I AoE as much as possible.

I'll be the first to admit, this is actually terrible etiquette and I also run the risk of pulling aggro. But then that's on me. Healers shouldn't waste their mana on me if I was attacking mobs the tank hadn't engaged. But that's also why the gods (aka SE) gave RDMs a healing ability and dual cast. :-)

[Capn_Goggles]

It's not hard to see why SAM wouldn't use AoE when they blow through TP like a fatso at a buffet and pub DPS are outright allergic to utility skills (Goad? Diversion? What are those?).